1 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:47,981 Hi! 2 00:00:48,606 --> 00:00:49,774 Hey! 3 00:00:50,316 --> 00:00:52,444 What a sweet voice! 4 00:00:53,194 --> 00:00:54,571 Thank you. 5 00:00:56,072 --> 00:00:58,283 Are you nervous about talking to me? 6 00:00:58,908 --> 00:01:00,160 Yes. 7 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,873 So, you know we have to be... 8 00:01:05,707 --> 00:01:07,876 very careful when doing this. 9 00:01:09,044 --> 00:01:10,086 Yes. 10 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:12,297 Yes? What are you thinking? 11 00:01:14,007 --> 00:01:15,675 What are you thinking? 12 00:01:15,677 --> 00:01:18,222 I'm thinking I'd like to be with you now. 13 00:01:21,264 --> 00:01:23,141 If I were, you would be naked. 14 00:01:24,225 --> 00:01:25,393 Really? 15 00:01:25,477 --> 00:01:26,603 Yes! 16 00:01:28,438 --> 00:01:29,898 Would you like to be? 17 00:01:30,565 --> 00:01:32,150 I think so. 18 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:33,802 Okay then! 19 00:01:35,737 --> 00:01:37,781 My precious little princess. 20 00:01:39,115 --> 00:01:41,076 I like it when you Call me that. 21 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:42,827 I like to call you that. 22 00:01:45,163 --> 00:01:46,873 I've been thinking about you all day. 23 00:01:48,625 --> 00:01:51,878 I have to go to Walmart first. 24 00:01:51,961 --> 00:01:54,255 Pick things up so that I don't get you pregnant. 25 00:01:54,339 --> 00:01:56,800 - Okay. - And then I'll find you. 26 00:01:57,383 --> 00:02:00,678 - Did you paint your toenails? - Yes, they are beautiful pink. 27 00:02:01,179 --> 00:02:02,222 Cool. 28 00:02:02,597 --> 00:02:04,766 I have to go! See you soon? 29 00:02:05,266 --> 00:02:06,726 Why are you in a hurry? 30 00:02:08,853 --> 00:02:10,897 I don't know, I'm a little nervous. 31 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:12,732 That's it, don't be nervous. 32 00:02:15,318 --> 00:02:17,153 I'm a very lucky guy. 33 00:02:18,738 --> 00:02:20,198 Do you really think so? 34 00:02:31,626 --> 00:02:33,795 - Hi! I'm glad you came! - Hey, girl! 35 00:02:33,878 --> 00:02:35,839 - How are you? - I'm fine, and you? 36 00:02:35,922 --> 00:02:36,965 I am fine! 37 00:02:37,465 --> 00:02:38,967 How was your trip? 38 00:02:41,302 --> 00:02:43,138 - Terrible. - Really? Why? 39 00:02:43,221 --> 00:02:44,889 No, actually, it was fine. 40 00:02:44,973 --> 00:02:47,851 Look, we have new chairs. You have to sit down! 41 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:50,061 - Do I have to sit down? - Yes, look. 42 00:02:50,562 --> 00:02:53,690 - It massages if you press the buttons. - Look at this! 43 00:02:54,315 --> 00:02:55,900 Let's see. My God! 44 00:02:55,984 --> 00:02:57,402 Yes, press the buttons. 45 00:02:57,735 --> 00:03:00,864 - Which one? - You can use anyone you want. 46 00:03:00,947 --> 00:03:04,492 One for the ass, one for the bottom and one for the upper back. 47 00:03:05,076 --> 00:03:08,121 I felt my ass. I think... 48 00:03:08,997 --> 00:03:11,374 - You can tell the difference if you press them all. - Our! 49 00:03:11,457 --> 00:03:13,793 - Yes, it's my ass. - It's very good, isn't it? 50 00:03:14,836 --> 00:03:16,796 - So... - I thought you were blonde! 51 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,382 - Did you like it? I painted it alone. - It was beautiful. 52 00:03:19,465 --> 00:03:21,384 - Thanks! - It was really beautiful! 53 00:03:21,968 --> 00:03:23,428 I still haven't gotten a kiss. 54 00:03:24,053 --> 00:03:27,473 Oh, okay. So what did you want to do? 55 00:03:28,391 --> 00:03:29,893 I want a kiss first. 56 00:03:30,435 --> 00:03:32,520 - And then? - Can you give me a kiss first? 57 00:03:32,729 --> 00:03:35,732 Let's talk first, you just got here. 58 00:03:36,482 --> 00:03:38,359 Can I go get it the things in the truck? 59 00:03:38,443 --> 00:03:39,569 No, it's okay. 60 00:03:39,652 --> 00:03:42,155 No? You don't want the gift What did I bring? 61 00:03:42,238 --> 00:03:43,323 And what is it? 62 00:03:43,781 --> 00:03:47,202 I can't say, otherwise it will ruin the surprise. 63 00:03:48,077 --> 00:03:50,288 You can go get it in a little while, yes? 64 00:03:50,371 --> 00:03:51,831 - Yes. - So yeah. 65 00:03:51,915 --> 00:03:53,041 Are you nervous? 66 00:03:53,249 --> 00:03:55,835 - A little. - Not as bad as you thought? 67 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,087 Not so bad, But I'm still a little nervous. 68 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:02,133 I prefer to talk a little until it's more comfortable, you know? 69 00:04:02,217 --> 00:04:03,968 Fine by me. 70 00:04:04,052 --> 00:04:06,012 Legal. I'm happy. 71 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:09,015 I enjoyed seeing you in person. 72 00:04:09,098 --> 00:04:10,558 Yeah, I liked seeing you too. 73 00:04:10,642 --> 00:04:11,643 Good. 74 00:04:12,477 --> 00:04:14,145 - So... - This is hot, why? 75 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:17,607 Just press the red button. This heats up too. 76 00:04:18,691 --> 00:04:20,151 Will you sit here too? 77 00:04:20,235 --> 00:04:22,320 I prefer to sit on the edge of the chair. 78 00:04:22,528 --> 00:04:23,528 - huh? - Yes. 79 00:04:23,571 --> 00:04:25,240 - Is it comfortable there? - Hello, sir. 80 00:04:25,323 --> 00:04:27,075 - How are you? - Well, what about you? 81 00:04:27,158 --> 00:04:28,660 - What's going on? - Not much. 82 00:04:28,743 --> 00:04:29,869 Not much? 83 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:31,663 Are you a Boston fan? 84 00:04:32,038 --> 00:04:33,957 In fact, I don't even watch baseball. 85 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,708 Ah, but is it a Boston cap? 86 00:04:35,792 --> 00:04:37,418 - It's a Boston cap, yes. - Yes. 87 00:04:37,627 --> 00:04:39,087 What are you going to do tonight? 88 00:04:39,170 --> 00:04:40,505 Not much. 89 00:04:41,422 --> 00:04:43,216 - Not much? - No. 90 00:04:44,676 --> 00:04:48,179 I'll tell you, in the last days, You've been doing a lot. 91 00:04:48,471 --> 00:04:50,390 You like to talk a lot, isn't it? 92 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:56,562 Do you want to explain yourself? 93 00:04:58,356 --> 00:05:00,191 Actually no, I never... 94 00:05:00,566 --> 00:05:02,527 I really wasn't going to do anything. 95 00:05:02,610 --> 00:05:04,654 - You weren't going to do anything? - No. 96 00:05:05,822 --> 00:05:09,075 So, you brought condoms. What else did you bring? 97 00:05:09,617 --> 00:05:11,703 - I brought a bracelet. - A bracelet? 98 00:05:12,662 --> 00:05:13,997 And she... 99 00:05:14,956 --> 00:05:16,582 And how old is she? 100 00:05:18,293 --> 00:05:20,545 - It should be 13. - It should be 13. 101 00:05:20,753 --> 00:05:22,088 And how old are you? 102 00:05:22,171 --> 00:05:23,798 - 37. - 37. 103 00:05:26,551 --> 00:05:28,261 What do you think should happen? 104 00:05:30,596 --> 00:05:32,056 Here's a good one. 105 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:36,144 "Miss Vagina is thinking in Mr. Penis? 106 00:05:37,061 --> 00:05:38,479 What is she thinking?" 107 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:44,277 What does this mean? 108 00:05:47,488 --> 00:05:49,407 Have you ever watched a lot of television? 109 00:05:52,327 --> 00:05:54,871 Have you ever watched a program called Dateline NBC? 110 00:05:56,873 --> 00:05:58,666 There's something I I have to tell you: 111 00:05:59,292 --> 00:06:01,377 I'm Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC, 112 00:06:01,461 --> 00:06:03,421 - this is a story about abuse. - God. 113 00:06:04,005 --> 00:06:06,257 You are free to leave of this house now 114 00:06:06,966 --> 00:06:09,844 but if there's something you I mean, this is the time. 115 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,690 Sheriff's Office! On the floor! Lying down! 116 00:06:22,774 --> 00:06:24,108 On the floor! On the floor! 117 00:06:26,486 --> 00:06:29,614 Put your hands behind your back! 118 00:06:33,198 --> 00:06:36,812 ADAPTATION | REVIEW | SYNCHRONY: EMAIL | loschulosteam@gmail.com 119 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:47,006 TO CATCH A PREDATOR IT WAS AIR BETWEEN 2004 AND 2007 120 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:49,675 AS PART OF A TV SHOW CALLED DATELINE NBC 121 00:06:57,433 --> 00:07:00,686 Today, an investigation with Dateline's hidden camera 122 00:07:00,770 --> 00:07:03,773 exposes a very real threat for your children: 123 00:07:03,856 --> 00:07:06,150 online sexual predators. 124 00:07:06,609 --> 00:07:09,404 When watching To Catch a Predator, you soon realize, 125 00:07:09,487 --> 00:07:12,156 why a program like this would conquer America. 126 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,493 Go to a house where a minor may be alone. 127 00:07:15,576 --> 00:07:16,786 MARK DE ROND - ETHNOGRAPHY 128 00:07:16,869 --> 00:07:19,872 The problem, as you will see in research, it is epidemic. 129 00:07:19,956 --> 00:07:21,582 These children aged between... 130 00:07:21,666 --> 00:07:23,584 The program has started when Dateline NBC 131 00:07:23,668 --> 00:07:26,796 hired the civil group online "Perverse Justice" 132 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,090 to find online predators in chats. 133 00:07:29,173 --> 00:07:31,426 A group arrives called "Perverse Justice", 134 00:07:31,509 --> 00:07:34,637 whose mission is to do What do authorities believe? 135 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,016 you don't always have the resources to do it, go after internet predators. 136 00:07:39,058 --> 00:07:41,978 And they do it impersonating children online. 137 00:07:42,353 --> 00:07:45,565 They have the bait, that opens the door, 138 00:07:45,857 --> 00:07:47,400 a boy or a girl. 139 00:07:48,234 --> 00:07:50,987 They are adults who look much younger than they are. 140 00:07:51,988 --> 00:07:56,534 They pretend to be the child who wants have sex, or something. 141 00:07:56,617 --> 00:07:58,786 I'm going to prepare my hair. I'll be right back. 142 00:07:58,870 --> 00:07:59,871 Take your time. 143 00:07:59,954 --> 00:08:02,248 - I'm really excited. - Me too. 144 00:08:02,331 --> 00:08:04,834 And then Chris Hansen appears... 145 00:08:04,917 --> 00:08:07,378 - Are you excited? - And ask what they're doing there. 146 00:08:07,462 --> 00:08:09,046 - What do you think they will do. - I'm sorry. 147 00:08:09,130 --> 00:08:10,298 Please have a seat. 148 00:08:10,673 --> 00:08:11,673 I'm sorry. 149 00:08:12,258 --> 00:08:13,718 What were you doing here? 150 00:08:16,512 --> 00:08:20,057 As an ethnographer, I study why people act that way. 151 00:08:21,601 --> 00:08:24,604 What first interested me about To Catch a Predator 152 00:08:25,354 --> 00:08:29,317 � like grown men can be so vile 153 00:08:30,109 --> 00:08:32,487 in the case of these children, 154 00:08:35,823 --> 00:08:38,659 and how that we seem to like to see 155 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:43,164 these men being humiliated on TV. 156 00:08:45,708 --> 00:08:47,043 So how can I help you? 157 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:50,046 Go ahead, sit down. 158 00:08:54,050 --> 00:08:55,384 At that moment... 159 00:08:57,345 --> 00:08:58,596 time stops. 160 00:09:00,014 --> 00:09:01,516 I suggest you sit down. 161 00:09:03,434 --> 00:09:06,437 What we see is actually the end of someone else's life. 162 00:09:11,317 --> 00:09:12,735 And they realize it. 163 00:09:15,947 --> 00:09:19,867 The goal was to educate people about the evils of the internet. 164 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:22,203 The danger of "outsiders". 165 00:09:22,995 --> 00:09:25,331 But it ended up shocking a nation. 166 00:09:26,123 --> 00:09:30,336 Online, on the street, at school, pedophiles take advantage of opportunities 167 00:09:30,419 --> 00:09:34,006 to connect with your children, and a reporter is struggling. 168 00:09:34,757 --> 00:09:36,842 He is doing a lot to expose them. 169 00:09:36,926 --> 00:09:39,011 From Dateline NBC, Chris Hansen! 170 00:09:40,721 --> 00:09:43,683 I don't understand why guys sit down and talk to you! 171 00:09:43,766 --> 00:09:44,766 Well... 172 00:09:44,767 --> 00:09:47,061 I don't know why they Don't go away! 173 00:09:47,144 --> 00:09:49,855 - Why do they talk to you? - My theory is this: 174 00:09:49,939 --> 00:09:52,525 - A large part of these guys... - Yes. 175 00:09:52,608 --> 00:09:55,653 He has an addiction, a compulsion, they want to get caught. 176 00:09:55,736 --> 00:09:59,407 - Explain to me, help me understand. - I can't! Because there is no reason! 177 00:09:59,490 --> 00:10:01,367 Take me to your mind, what is it? 178 00:10:01,450 --> 00:10:02,702 - Boredom. - Why did you do that? 179 00:10:02,785 --> 00:10:04,078 - Explain to me! - I don't know! 180 00:10:04,161 --> 00:10:06,330 Why did you come here? Help me understand. 181 00:10:06,414 --> 00:10:08,207 Because I'm a damn sick person. 182 00:10:08,291 --> 00:10:09,709 I don't want to hit the guys. 183 00:10:09,792 --> 00:10:13,796 I want to find out what's up with them. What led them to go there? 184 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:17,425 You came here planning to do oral sex with a 12 year old girl. 185 00:10:17,842 --> 00:10:20,636 I just... This fantasy crossed my mind! 186 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,764 - Fantasy? About being with a young girl? - A young woman, yes. 187 00:10:23,848 --> 00:10:25,182 What should happen to you? 188 00:10:25,266 --> 00:10:27,768 Why did you ask me that? I mean... 189 00:10:27,852 --> 00:10:29,645 Why do you think I'm curious? 190 00:10:30,021 --> 00:10:33,733 - You are a therapist. I know, so... - Do you think I'm a therapist? 191 00:10:33,816 --> 00:10:36,110 They often talk to me, tell me the story! 192 00:10:36,402 --> 00:10:39,238 Is there anything else you What do you mean about your situation? 193 00:10:39,530 --> 00:10:41,157 My life is over. It's gone. 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,326 It could be bad, but maybe they will get help. 195 00:10:43,409 --> 00:10:47,121 This was what I needed to straighten me out. 196 00:10:47,455 --> 00:10:48,789 You scared me so much. 197 00:10:48,873 --> 00:10:52,460 I need a psychiatrist because the way my life is going. 198 00:10:52,543 --> 00:10:55,921 Why don't you go ahead? I hope you can get this help. 199 00:10:56,005 --> 00:10:57,840 When he gets up to leave, 200 00:10:57,923 --> 00:11:01,052 the police are positioned, ready to arrest him. 201 00:11:01,302 --> 00:11:03,721 Sheriff's Office! Hands up! 202 00:11:04,221 --> 00:11:05,806 You are free to go. 203 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:08,059 - You're about to go out that door. - Thanks. 204 00:11:08,851 --> 00:11:10,645 Can I just leave? No problem? 205 00:11:10,728 --> 00:11:12,063 - You can go. - Thanks. 206 00:11:12,396 --> 00:11:13,396 It's a pleasure to meet you. 207 00:11:14,482 --> 00:11:15,691 You are free to go. 208 00:11:15,775 --> 00:11:17,318 We're not going to arrest you, you can go. 209 00:11:17,401 --> 00:11:19,236 You can go if you want. 210 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,780 Wait, it's not that way. 211 00:11:21,656 --> 00:11:23,199 - On the floor! On the floor! - Lying down! 212 00:11:23,282 --> 00:11:24,909 - Police! Stop! - Hands back! 213 00:11:24,992 --> 00:11:26,702 Don't resist! Get him! 214 00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:28,704 Don't run! It will be worse for you! 215 00:11:30,206 --> 00:11:32,291 Please, please help me! 216 00:11:32,541 --> 00:11:33,876 Oh my God! 217 00:11:34,669 --> 00:11:36,003 My God! 218 00:11:46,597 --> 00:11:51,644 I had no idea of how great the program was. 219 00:11:52,019 --> 00:11:55,272 For me, it was like, "Some people will watch, 220 00:11:55,356 --> 00:11:57,983 but probably not my big chance to act." 221 00:11:58,776 --> 00:12:00,778 Little did I know it would last... 222 00:12:00,861 --> 00:12:02,279 DANI JAYDEN - BAIT 223 00:12:02,363 --> 00:12:03,906 probably until I die. 224 00:12:03,989 --> 00:12:08,077 In some universe, I will always be known as "the bait". 225 00:12:09,412 --> 00:12:12,873 We should talk to strangers online that we don't know? 226 00:12:13,457 --> 00:12:15,501 I talk to some, but they are cool. 227 00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:18,796 - What? - I talk to strangers 228 00:12:19,088 --> 00:12:22,258 that I don't know. But they are super cool. 229 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:28,431 This is not good, they may seem super cool, but not always. 230 00:12:29,223 --> 00:12:30,850 Older guys are better! 231 00:12:31,809 --> 00:12:33,477 Best at many things! 232 00:12:33,728 --> 00:12:36,230 I'm mature, I don't need of people my age. 233 00:12:36,313 --> 00:12:40,151 - If he doesn't want anything, hang up. - Yeah. Seriously, this is stupid. 234 00:12:40,234 --> 00:12:43,738 If you don't want to, then seriously, Let's get off the phone. 235 00:12:45,197 --> 00:12:47,658 Two minutes? Alright, awesome, see you then! 236 00:12:47,742 --> 00:12:50,161 She hung up the phone. Sending the bait. 237 00:12:50,244 --> 00:12:51,328 There he is. Skirt! 238 00:12:51,662 --> 00:12:54,623 I looked at it as, "This It's an acting job..." 239 00:12:54,707 --> 00:12:56,751 Are you coming? Let's go! 240 00:12:56,834 --> 00:13:00,504 "But it's one that depends a lot on me doing my job properly." 241 00:13:00,963 --> 00:13:02,965 - Sit down. Can you serve me? - Yes of course! 242 00:13:03,048 --> 00:13:05,468 - Cool! I'm just going to get my bikini. - Right. 243 00:13:05,551 --> 00:13:09,472 Improvisation was super important, and my biggest goal has always been 244 00:13:09,555 --> 00:13:11,515 make them expose themselves, 245 00:13:11,599 --> 00:13:14,018 give to Chris Hansen your best interview. 246 00:13:14,101 --> 00:13:17,313 Why are you paranoid? Just imagine me naked and come in! 247 00:13:17,855 --> 00:13:19,273 - You can come. - I swear... 248 00:13:19,356 --> 00:13:21,817 Why do you think the program Was it so popular? 249 00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:26,739 I think I brought lots of information for parents. 250 00:13:26,822 --> 00:13:31,035 I think you're sucked in because you think, "That's a problem." 251 00:13:31,118 --> 00:13:36,081 And I think people didn't think that TV could be like this 252 00:13:36,373 --> 00:13:39,752 until To Catch a Predator arrives and bring it to light. 253 00:13:39,835 --> 00:13:43,255 That this is real life, It's not just fiction. 254 00:13:46,342 --> 00:13:50,638 My uncle is a broker and helped rent from my grandmother's house to NBC. 255 00:13:50,721 --> 00:13:53,724 And my father was helping with all the paperwork, 256 00:13:53,808 --> 00:13:58,020 they explained the program, and called an actress from Los Angeles 257 00:13:58,103 --> 00:14:00,815 to play a girl underage, and he thought, 258 00:14:00,898 --> 00:14:01,899 CASEY MAURO - BAIT 259 00:14:01,982 --> 00:14:05,736 "My daughter is an actress, and she looks incredibly young for 18!" 260 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:08,656 This is the photo... 261 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,117 who gave me the job. 262 00:14:13,911 --> 00:14:15,996 It sure was because of the belt. 263 00:14:16,997 --> 00:14:19,625 He definitely says "12 year old girl", right? 264 00:14:20,751 --> 00:14:24,255 Do you think your father is strange? offer you for this? 265 00:14:24,338 --> 00:14:26,674 He had no idea what he was getting into. 266 00:14:26,882 --> 00:14:29,343 More him than me. I was fine! 267 00:14:30,511 --> 00:14:33,889 My job was really... 268 00:14:34,974 --> 00:14:37,518 "Be a face", right? That's what they explained to me! 269 00:14:38,018 --> 00:14:39,395 Casey, can you hear me? 270 00:14:40,062 --> 00:14:42,565 Go ahead and open the door for him. 271 00:14:42,815 --> 00:14:43,983 - Hi, come in! - Hello. 272 00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:45,901 On the steps, opening the door. 273 00:14:45,985 --> 00:14:48,487 - He's in the kitchen, call him! - Hey, I'm here! 274 00:14:49,154 --> 00:14:51,282 The security guard told me the following: 275 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:53,367 "You are a goddess to them." 276 00:14:53,826 --> 00:14:56,745 That's why it's so powerful, when you say, 'Sit down!' 277 00:14:57,037 --> 00:14:58,998 and points the finger, they will sit down." 278 00:15:00,165 --> 00:15:03,252 And I thought, "Oh! I have the advantage here." 279 00:15:03,335 --> 00:15:04,879 Look! My God! 280 00:15:07,423 --> 00:15:10,467 I wanted a salary. "Of course, yes, count me in." 281 00:15:11,010 --> 00:15:12,177 I look young. 282 00:15:12,553 --> 00:15:14,430 And I think it was... 283 00:15:14,555 --> 00:15:15,848 DAN SCHRACK - BAIT 284 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:19,143 "Perfect, that's what we need." I don't think it was... 285 00:15:20,185 --> 00:15:24,940 I don't think they really They expected a lot from me as an actor. 286 00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:26,108 How are you, Stanley? 287 00:15:26,901 --> 00:15:29,320 All good? Full road? 288 00:15:29,862 --> 00:15:33,198 But it was a little stressful. It certainly was. 289 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:35,409 Having to answer the door... 290 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:39,038 Are you thirsty? No? Can I serve one for myself? 291 00:15:39,121 --> 00:15:41,081 Make them comfortable, and... 292 00:15:41,165 --> 00:15:42,875 Where should we start? 293 00:15:43,125 --> 00:15:44,627 What are you thinking? 294 00:15:45,169 --> 00:15:47,838 I think a lot of it, has also been... 295 00:15:47,922 --> 00:15:50,007 What is the plan for today's lesson? 296 00:15:51,091 --> 00:15:53,510 "Don't blow your cover. 297 00:15:54,011 --> 00:15:57,806 There are many people here who are working hard 298 00:15:57,890 --> 00:16:01,143 many days ago, and you would disappoint them." 299 00:16:03,479 --> 00:16:06,315 It was like a cool gang that you were part of, 300 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,277 ensuring that these guys don't hurt any children. 301 00:16:14,573 --> 00:16:16,450 Seems like an acceptable group. 302 00:16:17,034 --> 00:16:18,077 Did you understand? 303 00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:30,673 ARE WE JUST GOING TO STAY AT YOUR HOUSE? 304 00:16:30,756 --> 00:16:35,177 I WANTED, WILLOW BUT IT CAN CAUSE ME PROBLEMS 305 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,972 YOU LIAR, I KNEW IT WAS NOT SERIOUS 306 00:16:38,055 --> 00:16:41,266 HOW SAD 307 00:16:41,308 --> 00:16:46,188 IT'S SERIOUS, BUT YOU ARE MINOR, I NO, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL 308 00:16:46,271 --> 00:16:52,277 I'M GOING TO TAKE IT, I'M ALREADY TAKING IT YOU WILL SEE HOW WELL I HIDE MYSELF 309 00:16:53,654 --> 00:16:56,991 I HOPE YOU COME 310 00:16:57,074 --> 00:16:59,660 I HOPE YOU DO YOUR POSSIBLE 311 00:17:00,619 --> 00:17:01,912 I WANT SO MUCH 312 00:17:01,996 --> 00:17:05,958 I definitely see that not all these people 313 00:17:06,041 --> 00:17:08,836 can confront reality and fantasy. 314 00:17:08,919 --> 00:17:11,672 I WILL, MY GOOD 315 00:17:14,299 --> 00:17:17,886 Some were so obsessed, 316 00:17:18,345 --> 00:17:20,806 who couldn't differentiate the two. 317 00:17:23,017 --> 00:17:24,852 ARE YOU EXCITED? I AM 318 00:17:25,811 --> 00:17:27,187 YES 319 00:17:29,273 --> 00:17:31,233 They even know what are you doing, 320 00:17:31,316 --> 00:17:32,317 COOL 321 00:17:32,401 --> 00:17:37,072 but it comes from this place of non-acceptance, loneliness and fear. 322 00:17:37,156 --> 00:17:38,615 YOU CAN DO THINGS WITH ME 323 00:17:38,699 --> 00:17:41,827 And so, sitting safely on their computers at home 324 00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:43,287 I WILL 325 00:17:43,996 --> 00:17:46,623 they found an easy way to enter. 326 00:17:48,917 --> 00:17:53,255 I gave them full permission to disobey any thought 327 00:17:53,338 --> 00:17:56,050 that "Maybe This isn't right." 328 00:17:58,927 --> 00:18:01,930 - Did you think I wasn't real? - It could be anyone there. 329 00:18:02,222 --> 00:18:04,892 Yes you can. No, I'm real. 330 00:18:06,351 --> 00:18:08,520 Men wrote a porn film, 331 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,523 that appeared in a chat log. 332 00:18:11,607 --> 00:18:14,068 I WANT TO PLAY YOU IN BED AND MAKING LOVE WOULD BE TOO MUCH 333 00:18:14,151 --> 00:18:17,863 And they wanted to follow this fantasy which they co-created with the program, 334 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:23,243 with hypersexualized children and sexually available. 335 00:18:23,327 --> 00:18:25,829 - Yeah, I'm really excited. And you? - Yes! 336 00:18:25,913 --> 00:18:28,791 - Where this is acceptable. - What do you want to do? 337 00:18:29,917 --> 00:18:32,127 This was the era of Britney Spears and young girls 338 00:18:32,211 --> 00:18:35,089 all the time on TV as sexual objects. 339 00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:39,510 She finally agrees and he says: "Nice belly, love. Can I lick it?" 340 00:18:41,095 --> 00:18:44,431 Why are you paranoid? Just imagine me naked and come in! 341 00:18:44,848 --> 00:18:46,475 I'm Chris Hansen from Dateline. 342 00:18:46,975 --> 00:18:51,814 Chat online with children or with "bait profiles", it is already a crime. 343 00:18:53,774 --> 00:18:55,484 So, the only function of the program 344 00:18:57,069 --> 00:18:58,779 Take the men to the house. 345 00:18:59,988 --> 00:19:03,784 Just to sell this fantasy a few more minutes in person. 346 00:19:05,202 --> 00:19:06,620 Parents are not at home 347 00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:09,373 The child is anxious. 348 00:19:09,665 --> 00:19:10,749 Come in! 349 00:19:11,625 --> 00:19:12,625 Come. 350 00:19:12,626 --> 00:19:15,587 And when men have the courage to show up... 351 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:17,172 My God. 352 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:20,384 � even better than in your dreams. 353 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:24,847 Because the program designed it that way. 354 00:19:29,685 --> 00:19:31,228 Okay, he got out of the car. 355 00:19:33,021 --> 00:19:34,982 Hi! Come in! 356 00:19:35,065 --> 00:19:39,403 Entering our house in disguise is John Elliot, 39 years old. 357 00:19:39,486 --> 00:19:43,699 We hired the 19-year-old actress, Casey, to be our bait. 358 00:19:43,991 --> 00:19:47,369 Using such a disturbing nickname that we cannot show, 359 00:19:47,578 --> 00:19:51,248 he tells bait about his fantasy of being with a girl. 360 00:19:51,331 --> 00:19:53,917 - "You wanted to know what I thought." - �. 361 00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:58,463 "That's it. You're naked, and I'm licking you. Wow, you're beautiful!" 362 00:19:58,881 --> 00:20:02,009 Thank you. And what are your plans What are you thinking? 363 00:20:02,384 --> 00:20:03,552 In kissing you. 364 00:20:04,386 --> 00:20:05,387 �? 365 00:20:07,097 --> 00:20:09,099 You know, as we talked on the internet. 366 00:20:09,808 --> 00:20:11,268 There were some... 367 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:14,271 I just wanted to say: "Go home." 368 00:20:14,771 --> 00:20:17,774 I was a freshman in college, I was trying to figure out my life. 369 00:20:18,192 --> 00:20:21,361 And one of the guys who came, we were very similar. 370 00:20:21,778 --> 00:20:24,865 I was talking with a guy on the beach about, 371 00:20:24,948 --> 00:20:28,285 "College is hard!" and, "Do I want this course or not?" 372 00:20:28,493 --> 00:20:30,078 And I identified myself. 373 00:20:30,412 --> 00:20:34,208 And I just thought about saying: "Go home. Go home!" 374 00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:40,380 I didn't know, I was worried that it was some crazy setup. 375 00:20:40,464 --> 00:20:42,799 - Like this? - They pay the police 376 00:20:42,883 --> 00:20:45,052 to pretend they are girls. 377 00:20:45,135 --> 00:20:46,428 - Are you serious? - Yes! 378 00:20:46,511 --> 00:20:50,724 I usually don't worry about that, but it was so strange, I don't know. 379 00:20:51,516 --> 00:20:54,436 But I think it's okay. So, I don't know, so... 380 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:58,398 But as he will soon discover, It's not okay. 381 00:20:58,482 --> 00:21:00,192 - How are you? - Okay, and you? 382 00:21:00,275 --> 00:21:01,275 Good! All very well? 383 00:21:01,568 --> 00:21:03,362 - I am fine. - What's going on? 384 00:21:04,655 --> 00:21:07,282 - Do you want to be a reporter? - Yes. 385 00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:09,701 - Have you been on TV before? - No. 386 00:21:09,993 --> 00:21:13,455 Well, this is one of those situations Good news and bad news, John. 387 00:21:14,498 --> 00:21:16,667 I'm Chris Hansen, from Dateline NBC 388 00:21:17,668 --> 00:21:20,712 and we are recording o To Catch a Predator. 389 00:21:20,796 --> 00:21:23,006 Please tell me That's not you! Please! 390 00:21:23,966 --> 00:21:27,135 I don't want to get screwed because do... I want to go to college! 391 00:21:27,219 --> 00:21:29,179 I want to be a sports narrator! 392 00:21:29,471 --> 00:21:32,683 I didn't realize at the time how exhausting it was... 393 00:21:33,392 --> 00:21:35,352 emotionally and mentally. 394 00:21:35,686 --> 00:21:38,021 Years later, I'm still emotionally exhausted. 395 00:21:38,105 --> 00:21:41,608 I've never seen this after the original airing. 396 00:21:43,568 --> 00:21:48,573 Over the years I knew How to deal with this, right? But... 397 00:21:48,991 --> 00:21:51,076 this is a lot for someone to absorb! 398 00:21:51,868 --> 00:21:52,869 �. 399 00:21:54,454 --> 00:21:55,455 All ready. 400 00:21:55,539 --> 00:21:58,292 Greg, you stay there, we're going to prepare the microphone. 401 00:22:00,711 --> 00:22:04,298 GREG STUMBO FORMER KENTUCKY ATTORNEY GENERAL 402 00:22:04,673 --> 00:22:06,842 Before starting work with Dateline, 403 00:22:07,217 --> 00:22:09,720 What did you think of the program? 404 00:22:10,178 --> 00:22:12,764 No, I hadn't watched it yet. 405 00:22:13,307 --> 00:22:16,810 My team brought me a proposal 406 00:22:17,477 --> 00:22:22,065 about child predators and a kind of police operation. 407 00:22:22,399 --> 00:22:25,652 We partnered with them, and we were caught three times. 408 00:22:25,736 --> 00:22:27,863 The Attorney General of Kentucky, Greg Stumbo 409 00:22:27,946 --> 00:22:31,033 worked with Dateline in the north from Kentucky last spring. 410 00:22:31,366 --> 00:22:32,451 Thank you for helping us. 411 00:22:32,534 --> 00:22:34,411 For us, it was something natural. 412 00:22:34,494 --> 00:22:39,499 The police are not equipped to perform this type of operation. 413 00:22:39,583 --> 00:22:44,129 The flagrants had no problems, all processes went well, 414 00:22:44,212 --> 00:22:47,549 I received a lot of compliments at home, because it's... 415 00:22:47,883 --> 00:22:51,178 For doing this and appear on open television. 416 00:22:51,261 --> 00:22:56,516 But the point here is, this needs to be addressed. 417 00:22:57,184 --> 00:22:59,603 These people are out there and they are dangerous, 418 00:22:59,686 --> 00:23:02,147 but none of them had a criminal record, 419 00:23:02,356 --> 00:23:04,399 so they never had been arrested before. 420 00:23:05,108 --> 00:23:07,569 Unless we did something of that nature, 421 00:23:07,652 --> 00:23:09,905 they would never have been discovered 422 00:23:09,988 --> 00:23:12,574 because we had no idea who these people were. 423 00:23:15,202 --> 00:23:16,745 As a promoter, 424 00:23:16,828 --> 00:23:19,790 in addition to arresting these men, Have you ever thought: 425 00:23:19,873 --> 00:23:22,959 "Okay, we can arrest them, Of course, 426 00:23:23,502 --> 00:23:26,213 but how can we solve the problem? 427 00:23:26,838 --> 00:23:29,299 How can we rehabilitate them, 428 00:23:29,383 --> 00:23:32,052 how can we prevent what happens? 429 00:23:32,469 --> 00:23:34,513 My job is not to rehabilitate them, 430 00:23:34,596 --> 00:23:39,017 my job is to hold them accountable for the act they committed. 431 00:23:39,101 --> 00:23:42,979 They are dangerous criminals, who got involved 432 00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:48,652 in this specific type of predatory conduct, 433 00:23:49,236 --> 00:23:52,614 on purpose, with premeditated malice, 434 00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:57,911 with all the criminal intent of the world, of harming a child. 435 00:23:58,453 --> 00:24:02,082 And I have absolutely no no compassion for them. 436 00:24:02,666 --> 00:24:03,834 I mean... 437 00:24:04,668 --> 00:24:07,129 They asked me what I thought about the death penalty, 438 00:24:07,212 --> 00:24:10,257 and I said, "I'd shoot it myself on the son of a bitch if they let him." 439 00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:13,343 And, that's the kind of person who... 440 00:24:15,011 --> 00:24:16,430 They are dangerous. 441 00:24:17,222 --> 00:24:19,391 They are dangerous, We know they're out there, 442 00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:21,226 and they are a threat for our children. 443 00:24:23,353 --> 00:24:26,606 And what would you say to the program's critics? 444 00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:29,401 If you criticize, doesn't understand the problem. 445 00:24:29,693 --> 00:24:32,904 Mr. President, I am glad to see Mr. Chris Hansen here today. 446 00:24:33,113 --> 00:24:35,449 Her series on Dateline NBC about child predators 447 00:24:35,532 --> 00:24:37,742 warns us about the dangers against our children. 448 00:24:37,826 --> 00:24:39,578 PORNOGRAPHY AND CHILD EXPLOITATION 449 00:24:39,661 --> 00:24:41,455 The more we talk about this topic, 450 00:24:41,538 --> 00:24:44,040 will cause a frightening effect about these crimes. 451 00:24:44,124 --> 00:24:47,127 Almost 130 men emerged in our five investigations. 452 00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:51,131 And 98 were criminally charged. Seven pleaded guilty. 453 00:24:51,423 --> 00:24:54,301 Most people haven't had problem with what we did. 454 00:24:54,384 --> 00:24:57,387 The next guest presents the funniest comedy on TV. 455 00:24:57,471 --> 00:24:58,972 It's called To Catch a Predator. 456 00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:02,058 If you haven't seen it yet, It's like Punk'd for pedophiles. 457 00:25:02,142 --> 00:25:05,187 It's a great show. You can watch Wednesday night on NBC. 458 00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:06,980 Please welcome Chris Hansen! 459 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,942 And people respond to that, obviously. 460 00:25:11,276 --> 00:25:13,028 When did you realize that this was gold? 461 00:25:13,111 --> 00:25:14,321 - These people... - Well... 462 00:25:14,571 --> 00:25:18,033 After the second one, I thought: "You know, that's really attractive." 463 00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:20,785 Yes, definitely. It's very attractive. 464 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,579 Eat a cookie I made! 465 00:25:22,662 --> 00:25:24,247 Do you want to explain yourself? 466 00:25:24,706 --> 00:25:26,708 Take that towel, please. 467 00:25:27,542 --> 00:25:31,505 Cover yourself with it. And please sit on that stool. 468 00:25:31,963 --> 00:25:33,340 What are you doing? 469 00:25:33,423 --> 00:25:36,718 Whose idea was it to tell the guy to get naked before you go in? 470 00:25:36,801 --> 00:25:39,221 Sometimes the baits would a little grace. 471 00:25:39,304 --> 00:25:42,641 I don't appear on the news. Are you filming? 472 00:25:42,724 --> 00:25:45,185 - We're filming. - I don't want to appear on TV, bro. 473 00:25:45,268 --> 00:25:46,937 It's a little late for that, bro. 474 00:25:47,562 --> 00:25:50,524 � a report, so we don't need to ask... 475 00:25:50,607 --> 00:25:51,650 - Permission. - Permission. 476 00:25:51,733 --> 00:25:53,652 - I mean, it's for a newspaper. - I know! 477 00:25:53,735 --> 00:25:57,197 - We recording what happens. - I know! You see that guy, you know... 478 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Look, incredible work. 479 00:25:58,323 --> 00:25:59,491 Police! Raise your hand! 480 00:25:59,908 --> 00:26:02,869 You think, "This is journalism prank or exploitation?" 481 00:26:02,953 --> 00:26:06,623 I think anyone who does sex with children or try to, 482 00:26:06,706 --> 00:26:10,001 you should do the program, They should have their own channel. 483 00:26:11,127 --> 00:26:14,005 - You thought I was a police officer? - Yes, I don't know who you are. 484 00:26:14,673 --> 00:26:15,715 Well, now you know. 485 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:16,925 Hello, Homer. 486 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,427 I'm Chris Hansen, from Dateline NBC. 487 00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:21,846 I'm Chris Hansen, from Dateline NBC. 488 00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:23,139 My God! 489 00:26:23,223 --> 00:26:26,643 Recently, in the spring, when we were filming in Florida, 490 00:26:26,726 --> 00:26:29,479 the guys came in and, before I could say, 491 00:26:29,563 --> 00:26:31,398 "I'm Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC", 492 00:26:31,481 --> 00:26:33,483 They said "I know, I know, I know." 493 00:26:33,817 --> 00:26:35,610 It's almost like a hidden camera, 494 00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:38,530 only with criminals who are arrested and go to jail. 495 00:26:38,613 --> 00:26:40,323 PORNOGRAPHY AND CHILD EXPLOITATION 496 00:26:40,407 --> 00:26:41,992 It's unbelievable. 497 00:26:44,035 --> 00:26:46,454 Stand here in front to this wall, please. 498 00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:51,001 Do you have any belongings What do I need to know? 499 00:26:51,084 --> 00:26:53,044 - No, nothing. - Anything sharp? 500 00:26:53,128 --> 00:26:54,296 Some needle or... 501 00:26:54,379 --> 00:26:57,591 All I had was a pocket knife, but I think they already got it. 502 00:26:58,466 --> 00:27:00,760 Are you also a counselor? Or... 503 00:27:00,844 --> 00:27:05,265 No, I'm an agent of the department of Kentucky research. 504 00:27:05,348 --> 00:27:07,350 Alright, I thought you were... Right. 505 00:27:07,434 --> 00:27:09,811 Then you're stuck. 506 00:27:10,478 --> 00:27:11,771 Do you understand this? 507 00:27:11,855 --> 00:27:13,607 Oh yes, definitely. 508 00:27:14,232 --> 00:27:15,275 Right. 509 00:27:15,358 --> 00:27:19,404 So this is footage without editing the program. 510 00:27:19,738 --> 00:27:24,117 From the interrogation rooms after Chris made the arrests. 511 00:27:24,784 --> 00:27:26,578 Right. Did this never air? 512 00:27:26,661 --> 00:27:30,749 Some parts yes, but not like this, without editing. 513 00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:32,292 Right. 514 00:27:32,876 --> 00:27:35,462 But that was which I found interesting. 515 00:27:37,297 --> 00:27:39,466 For me, watching the footage no editing 516 00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:42,052 it gives me a very different feeling 517 00:27:42,135 --> 00:27:44,220 than in the episodes transmitted. 518 00:27:47,474 --> 00:27:50,435 - Can I talk to you off camera? - I can't, I'm sorry. 519 00:27:50,518 --> 00:27:52,437 Do you have any help for me? 520 00:27:52,812 --> 00:27:58,276 There are several ways to get help, and let's get into that in the story. 521 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,446 My insurance covers therapy, and, Obviously, it's what I need, 522 00:28:01,529 --> 00:28:05,116 not only because of this problem, but for several other things. 523 00:28:05,492 --> 00:28:06,576 If I... 524 00:28:08,161 --> 00:28:10,955 Even if it was something you... I just don't... 525 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,667 I don't want this to ruin the rest of my life. 526 00:28:20,173 --> 00:28:23,218 I'm sorry, Mr. Hansen. I'm sorry very much, all of you. Sorry... 527 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:25,553 If this airs, I'm sorry. 528 00:28:30,225 --> 00:28:32,352 By showing these men as human beings, 529 00:28:32,727 --> 00:28:34,688 the program decomposes. 530 00:28:38,817 --> 00:28:41,069 And maybe that's why that didn't appear on TV. 531 00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:45,031 Yes, he may have done and said horrible things... 532 00:28:46,408 --> 00:28:51,079 but he demonstrated some humanity, which is hard to ignore. 533 00:28:55,291 --> 00:28:57,210 I am John W. Elliot. 534 00:28:58,086 --> 00:28:59,879 There were several Elliots where I grew up. 535 00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:01,756 Where did you grow up? 536 00:29:01,965 --> 00:29:04,467 I grew up in Bell County. Do you know where it is? 537 00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:06,553 I'm sorry, I don't know. 538 00:29:06,803 --> 00:29:10,348 Don't know where Bell County is? I thought everyone knew. 539 00:29:10,432 --> 00:29:12,225 It's where the Cumberland Gap is. 540 00:29:14,602 --> 00:29:15,603 It looks nice. 541 00:29:16,229 --> 00:29:17,772 Yes, it's cool. 542 00:29:18,398 --> 00:29:20,358 Maybe you I can go there someday. 543 00:29:20,775 --> 00:29:23,862 There's a field golf course on the PGA Tour. 544 00:29:23,945 --> 00:29:25,321 - Sorry. - Are you okay? 545 00:29:25,405 --> 00:29:26,531 Yes. 546 00:29:26,823 --> 00:29:28,575 You've been through a lot. 547 00:29:29,868 --> 00:29:31,786 I deserve no remorse. 548 00:29:32,162 --> 00:29:33,371 Not really. 549 00:29:34,456 --> 00:29:36,666 - You know what, John? - No. 550 00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:39,836 You will survive this. 551 00:29:43,506 --> 00:29:44,591 No, I won't. 552 00:29:49,721 --> 00:29:52,223 I don't like when someone sees me like this. 553 00:29:53,892 --> 00:29:56,186 - I'm embarrassed. - Right. 554 00:29:57,353 --> 00:30:00,940 This is not typical of a criminal interrogation. 555 00:30:01,357 --> 00:30:04,569 This individual, if he serves his sentence, 556 00:30:04,652 --> 00:30:07,655 if he goes through some kind of rehabilitation process, 557 00:30:08,156 --> 00:30:11,159 Maybe he won't do it again, maybe he can come back 558 00:30:11,242 --> 00:30:14,204 and become a member productive of society. 559 00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:20,794 But he needs to be punished for his crime. 560 00:30:48,488 --> 00:30:52,033 Could you offer me 10 million dollars... 561 00:30:53,743 --> 00:30:56,496 to film that episode in Texas again. 562 00:31:01,626 --> 00:31:03,127 And I wouldn't accept it. 563 00:31:03,336 --> 00:31:07,966 I wouldn't accept and would be happy with that decision. 564 00:31:18,685 --> 00:31:20,353 IN A NORMAL EPISODE, 565 00:31:20,436 --> 00:31:23,606 PRODUCTION AND BAIT WOULD WAIT THE MAN ARRIVES AT THE HOUSE IN DISGUISE 566 00:31:24,566 --> 00:31:25,859 - Al�? - Hi, Will? 567 00:31:25,942 --> 00:31:27,360 Hi, what are you doing? 568 00:31:27,694 --> 00:31:30,196 - Nothing, what are you doing? - Nothing. 569 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,534 I was trying to find out how to get where you are. 570 00:31:34,993 --> 00:31:36,286 Will you come? 571 00:31:37,412 --> 00:31:39,080 Is everything ok? 572 00:31:39,455 --> 00:31:40,455 Yes! 573 00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:42,166 IN AN EPISODE FILMED IN DALLAS, 574 00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:44,294 A MAN TALKS TO THE BAIT SEVERAL TIMES 575 00:31:44,377 --> 00:31:46,337 - Are you sure? - Of course! 576 00:31:46,421 --> 00:31:48,047 No doubt. 577 00:31:55,138 --> 00:31:56,347 Have you left yet? 578 00:31:56,848 --> 00:31:57,891 No. 579 00:31:57,974 --> 00:32:00,184 - You haven't left yet? - No. 580 00:32:00,268 --> 00:32:02,228 FINALLY, HE DID NOT ARRIVE 581 00:32:02,312 --> 00:32:03,855 Are you going to come or not? 582 00:32:03,938 --> 00:32:05,607 Yes, I will. 583 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:07,567 And when will it be? 584 00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:09,360 Well, a little later. 585 00:32:10,445 --> 00:32:11,905 A little later? 586 00:32:11,988 --> 00:32:13,406 Yes, could it be? 587 00:32:14,032 --> 00:32:16,075 Yes, I think... 588 00:32:19,203 --> 00:32:24,042 HE WAS DEPUTY PROSECUTOR FROM A NEIGHBOR COUNTY 589 00:32:32,342 --> 00:32:34,385 BREAKING THE PROGRAM FORMULA, 590 00:32:34,469 --> 00:32:37,013 PRODUCTION AND THE POLICE THEY WENT TO HIS HOUSE 591 00:32:42,685 --> 00:32:44,771 UNEDITED IMAGES FROM THE DATELINE CAMERAS 592 00:32:44,854 --> 00:32:46,522 NOVEMBER 5, 2006 593 00:33:22,976 --> 00:33:25,728 We saw a man on horseback going up the street. 594 00:33:25,812 --> 00:33:27,230 He watched us. 595 00:33:31,067 --> 00:33:33,027 If there's someone there, he knows we are here. 596 00:33:33,111 --> 00:33:35,446 The boss thought it best to call the tactical team, 597 00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:37,949 bring more people here, and... 598 00:33:38,032 --> 00:33:39,867 - Go in with them? - Force entry. 599 00:33:39,951 --> 00:33:41,077 Right. 600 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,621 If it has to be like this, It's how he prefers to do it. 601 00:33:43,705 --> 00:33:45,540 Okay, the decision is yours. 602 00:33:45,623 --> 00:33:49,419 We are calling the team now to place them in position. 603 00:33:49,502 --> 00:33:50,503 All good. 604 00:33:50,712 --> 00:33:53,297 We'll have to wait a little because, you know... 605 00:33:53,381 --> 00:33:55,258 While you bring the team? 606 00:33:55,341 --> 00:33:57,552 They won't take long. 607 00:33:57,635 --> 00:33:59,178 - It will be very quick. - Right. 608 00:34:00,179 --> 00:34:03,474 We made a fake call to him this morning. We have his number. 609 00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:07,228 If anyone wants to call and talk with him if he answers. 610 00:34:07,311 --> 00:34:09,522 - Can I try? - I don't know the number. 611 00:34:09,814 --> 00:34:11,357 Here it is, you can call. 612 00:34:12,525 --> 00:34:13,651 Nine, seven, two 613 00:34:15,278 --> 00:34:16,696 Five, two, four 614 00:34:22,118 --> 00:34:24,412 The sergeant is here, with the phone number. 615 00:34:24,495 --> 00:34:26,414 He's trying get in touch. 616 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,083 But it seems that he won't answer. 617 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,613 Go this way. 618 00:35:04,202 --> 00:35:06,621 Is there a detective back there? 619 00:35:09,165 --> 00:35:10,500 Turn around. 620 00:35:11,209 --> 00:35:12,502 Go through the fence. 621 00:35:22,095 --> 00:35:23,096 Proceed. 622 00:35:41,781 --> 00:35:42,949 He shot himself. 623 00:35:43,032 --> 00:35:44,325 My God. 624 00:35:45,576 --> 00:35:47,787 I don't know if he's dead, so... 625 00:35:48,871 --> 00:35:50,915 What can tell us about the scene? 626 00:35:50,998 --> 00:35:53,000 It's a bullet wound to the head. 627 00:35:55,837 --> 00:35:56,921 So... 628 00:35:57,004 --> 00:35:58,422 Do you know when it happened? 629 00:35:58,506 --> 00:35:59,715 I can't say. 630 00:35:59,799 --> 00:36:00,800 All good. 631 00:36:04,637 --> 00:36:06,347 They called air rescue, so... 632 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:09,725 - Right. - They're going to land here, and... 633 00:36:09,809 --> 00:36:11,978 - call an ambulance and take him. - Right. 634 00:36:18,693 --> 00:36:20,528 - Give way to the ambulance. - Yes. 635 00:36:22,697 --> 00:36:25,449 Well, there will be some controversy. 636 00:36:25,992 --> 00:36:28,661 It's better that he did it 637 00:36:28,744 --> 00:36:30,830 when they were entering, instead of... 638 00:36:39,088 --> 00:36:40,423 I know it's preliminary, 639 00:36:40,965 --> 00:36:42,758 you are still investigating. 640 00:36:42,842 --> 00:36:44,886 But for what you can tell us, lieutenant, 641 00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:47,305 what happened When did the team join? 642 00:36:47,388 --> 00:36:49,849 When they entered, they came across the suspect. 643 00:36:49,932 --> 00:36:53,227 I think he was in the hallway and said he wouldn't hurt them, 644 00:36:53,311 --> 00:36:56,105 - and shot himself in the head. - And he had a pistol? 645 00:36:56,189 --> 00:36:57,899 - Small caliber. - And shot him in the head. 646 00:36:58,232 --> 00:37:00,401 Okay, Lieutenant, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. 647 00:37:16,626 --> 00:37:17,919 Are we having fun? 648 00:37:22,924 --> 00:37:25,301 Heard that there is a 300-pound guy there? 649 00:37:25,384 --> 00:37:27,053 - No. - He appeared at the house. 650 00:37:27,136 --> 00:37:28,596 He has already been arrested. 651 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,431 He wanted... Brad doesn't remember, 652 00:37:30,514 --> 00:37:33,601 if he wanted to defecate on the boy or for the boy to defecate in it. 653 00:37:36,103 --> 00:37:37,480 My goodness. 654 00:37:54,789 --> 00:37:57,500 Do you remember when you knew what had happened? 655 00:38:00,836 --> 00:38:05,299 I know I was in the house when I found out what happened. 656 00:38:06,676 --> 00:38:09,679 It could have been an hour later... 657 00:38:10,221 --> 00:38:13,224 who told us: "That's it. 658 00:38:13,516 --> 00:38:15,810 We're done. We're done with you." 659 00:38:16,769 --> 00:38:17,979 And then... 660 00:38:21,023 --> 00:38:23,067 I know I blocked it. 661 00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:25,486 I know so. I blocked it. 662 00:38:29,448 --> 00:38:33,869 This morning, I clicked on a link on YouTube, 663 00:38:34,787 --> 00:38:36,872 and that led me to... 664 00:38:40,001 --> 00:38:42,086 I remembered the phone call. 665 00:38:42,169 --> 00:38:44,046 - Al�? - Hi, is it Will? 666 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:46,549 And I heard myself saying "Al�?" 667 00:38:46,632 --> 00:38:48,092 - Hi, Will. All good? - How are you? 668 00:38:48,175 --> 00:38:50,261 - Well, thank you. - Did you walk the dogs? 669 00:38:50,344 --> 00:38:53,306 And there I had... I was finished. 670 00:38:53,389 --> 00:38:55,975 I didn't want to participate anymore of that game. 671 00:39:01,022 --> 00:39:03,232 It's not a place that I like to be. 672 00:39:11,907 --> 00:39:15,494 I don't like knowing that I can to have been the last person 673 00:39:15,578 --> 00:39:18,372 who did this guy talk to, 674 00:39:19,665 --> 00:39:21,834 before the police arrived. 675 00:39:24,754 --> 00:39:30,384 This was something I had started to save it as best I could and... 676 00:39:31,969 --> 00:39:36,015 bury the deepest that I could. 677 00:39:40,853 --> 00:39:42,438 And then, I heard from you. 678 00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:48,944 NBC'S CHILD ABUSE ENDS IN SUICIDE 679 00:39:49,028 --> 00:39:51,989 I was watching the news 6:00 pm that day, 680 00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:56,994 and there was a brief mention of a dying man, 681 00:39:57,078 --> 00:39:58,996 BYRON HARRIS FORMER DALLAS WFAA REPORTER 682 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,166 and I just thought, "How Someone Dies" 683 00:40:02,249 --> 00:40:05,753 in production from a TV show?" 684 00:40:07,922 --> 00:40:11,342 It was supposed to be about justice, but a News 8 investigation 685 00:40:11,425 --> 00:40:15,471 shows that when the reasons of the media and police get confused, 686 00:40:15,763 --> 00:40:19,266 justice can be limited, and, in this case, tragic. 687 00:40:19,558 --> 00:40:22,269 We were one of the first broadcasters investigating 688 00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:24,271 To Catch a Predator in Texas. 689 00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:27,817 They seemed to have elements of a kind of traveling circus. 690 00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:32,613 They were going to a city and hunted criminals. 691 00:40:33,364 --> 00:40:35,157 The promoter of Collin County said: 692 00:40:35,241 --> 00:40:38,077 "The police are working for the TV show? 693 00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:39,954 Who is employed by whom?" 694 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:45,251 All of this led to great questions from John Roach. 695 00:40:46,627 --> 00:40:49,213 Murphy's police contacted us 696 00:40:49,296 --> 00:40:51,841 to be part from To Catch a Predator. 697 00:40:51,924 --> 00:40:54,510 We respond in writing and we said we wouldn't accept it, 698 00:40:54,593 --> 00:40:55,761 JON ROACH FORMER ATTORNEY 699 00:40:55,845 --> 00:40:58,597 we advise you not to accept, because that was a big mistake, 700 00:40:58,681 --> 00:41:00,224 and the phrase we used was: 701 00:41:00,307 --> 00:41:02,977 "We only enforce the law, We don't do show business." 702 00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:06,439 They ignored us and made that anyway. 703 00:41:06,522 --> 00:41:11,610 We investigated and discovered that some police officers used cameras, 704 00:41:11,694 --> 00:41:13,821 that was long before of body cameras, 705 00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:16,699 simply to give a tone of action in the filming 706 00:41:16,782 --> 00:41:18,868 when the approach happened. 707 00:41:19,201 --> 00:41:22,455 Bill Conradt was a former prosecutor Kaufman County Public. 708 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,166 Now, your sister, Patricia Conradt, 709 00:41:25,249 --> 00:41:28,794 is suing NBC at US$105 million. 710 00:41:28,878 --> 00:41:32,381 The entertainment industry cannot act as a police, 711 00:41:32,631 --> 00:41:35,384 judge, jury, executioner. 712 00:41:36,886 --> 00:41:41,474 So, 20/20 did a report, arising from our investigation. 713 00:41:41,557 --> 00:41:43,517 Welcome to 20/20. It's a fascinating production. 714 00:41:43,601 --> 00:41:45,144 OUTRAGE IN TEXAS AFTER INVASION 715 00:41:45,227 --> 00:41:47,813 The vision of alleged pedophiles being caught in a trap, 716 00:41:47,897 --> 00:41:49,857 cornered, thrown to the ground and handcuffed. 717 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:51,734 It's all part from a popular NBC series, 718 00:41:51,817 --> 00:41:55,446 But now, there are serious doubts about what happens behind the scenes. 719 00:41:55,738 --> 00:41:59,450 As police detectives by Murphy, Sam Love and Walt Weiss 720 00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:01,494 had a great role in the operation. 721 00:42:01,785 --> 00:42:03,204 Did you want to have sex with her? 722 00:42:03,287 --> 00:42:05,664 They were seen on the show interrogating suspects, 723 00:42:05,748 --> 00:42:10,085 Sometimes they say: Following Dateline production instructions. 724 00:42:10,169 --> 00:42:13,172 By God, when they wanted a camera in place, it was there. 725 00:42:13,422 --> 00:42:15,966 When they wanted certain things were carried out, 726 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:18,761 that would make it easier for them set up the program, 727 00:42:19,011 --> 00:42:20,763 by God, the problem was resolved. 728 00:42:21,055 --> 00:42:23,432 But criminal cases were in the background. 729 00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:27,019 Chris Hansen is back at the police station 730 00:42:27,102 --> 00:42:29,813 and the police ran to take photos with him. 731 00:42:30,481 --> 00:42:32,733 I got it the camera and took the photos, 732 00:42:32,983 --> 00:42:37,279 and they asked me: "And you?" and I said, "No, I'm fine." 733 00:42:39,365 --> 00:42:40,699 That's not our boss. 734 00:42:41,075 --> 00:42:44,203 He's not a cop, he He is not a prosecution lawyer. 735 00:42:44,286 --> 00:42:46,038 This is a TV show! 736 00:42:46,121 --> 00:42:47,164 WALT WEISS FORMER DETECTIVE 737 00:42:47,248 --> 00:42:52,169 And it seemed that more and more someone I was getting carte blanche 738 00:42:52,253 --> 00:42:55,381 to enter and direct operations at the Police Department. 739 00:42:57,132 --> 00:43:00,761 Chris Hansen is acting as a police officer in this case. 740 00:43:01,554 --> 00:43:03,055 He is interrogating them. 741 00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,307 Are you her father or something? 742 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:07,142 I'll talk about that now. 743 00:43:07,226 --> 00:43:09,478 You are a private investigator or police officer? 744 00:43:09,562 --> 00:43:10,938 I'll talk about that now. 745 00:43:11,021 --> 00:43:13,232 - Am I going to jail? - That doesn't depend on me. 746 00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,484 And the police will use this information, 747 00:43:15,568 --> 00:43:19,029 They're going to send it to the prosecutor. So this perpetrator, 748 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:21,907 he doesn't know he has the right not to speak, 749 00:43:21,991 --> 00:43:24,326 right to a lawyer, all these things. 750 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,371 I'm looking at the transcripts, So it's better not to lie, yes? 751 00:43:27,663 --> 00:43:29,832 I read everything, So it's better to tell me. 752 00:43:30,124 --> 00:43:34,837 It was clear that there was no how to process these cases. 753 00:43:35,212 --> 00:43:37,673 TO CATCH A PREDATOR OPERATION SHAKES CITY IN TEXAS 754 00:43:37,756 --> 00:43:40,217 THE PROSECUTOR WILL NOT PROSECUTE NONE OF THE CASES 755 00:43:41,552 --> 00:43:46,390 They did that in that house only for the good of the program, 756 00:43:47,266 --> 00:43:51,061 it wasn't something for society, or in the interest of law enforcement. 757 00:43:52,271 --> 00:43:54,356 And the role I I played in it, 758 00:43:55,316 --> 00:43:57,067 It's a stain on my soul... 759 00:43:57,985 --> 00:43:59,445 which I will live with... 760 00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:03,490 if there is a human side to me. 761 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,081 I... 762 00:44:11,665 --> 00:44:13,542 I could have prevented that. 763 00:44:13,917 --> 00:44:15,377 At least that part, 764 00:44:15,461 --> 00:44:18,756 if I had walked out the door from the back and spoke to someone. 765 00:44:20,758 --> 00:44:23,177 I don't know what else I have to tell, 766 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:26,096 but if you have more questions, I can answer. 767 00:44:28,849 --> 00:44:31,352 And this episode Did it end up airing? 768 00:44:36,231 --> 00:44:37,316 Yes it was. 769 00:44:40,027 --> 00:44:41,779 - It's a beautiful house. - Thanks! 770 00:44:41,862 --> 00:44:44,114 Beautiful house, and guess who's home? 771 00:44:44,323 --> 00:44:45,616 Sit there, please. 772 00:44:45,908 --> 00:44:47,910 Get ready. Here come the cops. 773 00:44:47,993 --> 00:44:48,951 - Turn around. - On the floor! 774 00:44:48,952 --> 00:44:50,412 Hands behind your back, now! 775 00:44:50,496 --> 00:44:52,539 - I think I'm trapped, right? - Do you think so? 776 00:44:53,248 --> 00:44:56,460 Also tonight, something that has never happened before. 777 00:44:57,586 --> 00:45:02,091 The police go after a suspect and there are deadly consequences. 778 00:45:02,633 --> 00:45:03,926 Everyone knew him. 779 00:45:04,218 --> 00:45:07,054 No one predicted it would end the way it was. 780 00:45:07,638 --> 00:45:09,848 I spoke with Chris Hansen, from Dateline 781 00:45:09,932 --> 00:45:11,892 about the tragic turn of events, 782 00:45:11,975 --> 00:45:14,895 and that was his reaction about what happened that day. 783 00:45:15,354 --> 00:45:17,690 Everyone in the place would have preferred it, 784 00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:21,527 for Bill Conradt to tell your side of the story, 785 00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:23,946 and, if necessary, have been tried in court. 786 00:45:24,196 --> 00:45:26,281 But that wasn't the choice that he did. 787 00:45:27,157 --> 00:45:28,617 It certainly wasn't. 788 00:45:28,701 --> 00:45:32,746 Watch the next investigation from Dateline on Tuesday night. 789 00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:35,624 And then "Oops, she left again!" 790 00:45:36,041 --> 00:45:38,877 Britney's second stint in rehabilitation ended. 791 00:45:38,961 --> 00:45:42,005 So, someone or something can convince her 792 00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:44,591 getting help that she desperately needs? 793 00:45:44,675 --> 00:45:47,803 But first, Jay Leno introduces us the newest hero to debut 794 00:45:47,886 --> 00:45:51,974 in the unmissable prime time from NBC! It's coming next! 795 00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:01,024 God in heaven. 796 00:46:03,694 --> 00:46:06,113 He is standing in the hallway with a gun in his hand, 797 00:46:06,196 --> 00:46:09,074 one of small caliber. He says, "I'm not going to hurt you.", 798 00:46:09,158 --> 00:46:12,119 put the gun to your head and shoots himself. 799 00:46:12,202 --> 00:46:13,203 Wow. 800 00:46:13,537 --> 00:46:16,039 So they confiscated home computers, 801 00:46:16,123 --> 00:46:18,417 and researchers They are investigating them now. 802 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,878 Right. And now this book comes out... 803 00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:23,380 To Catch a Predator, with tips for... 804 00:46:23,464 --> 00:46:25,215 Yes, it's true. You know... 805 00:46:25,299 --> 00:46:27,092 There was no interrogation, 806 00:46:27,926 --> 00:46:31,096 no sign of "Let's talk about how it happened 807 00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:35,017 and who blames those involved had, that the police had. 808 00:46:36,101 --> 00:46:37,144 There was nothing like that. 809 00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:40,689 Meanwhile, back at home, men keep showing up. 810 00:46:40,773 --> 00:46:41,815 Come in! 811 00:46:42,191 --> 00:46:43,233 How are you? 812 00:46:43,984 --> 00:46:48,071 Because I'm not there, the bait invites a suspect going to the house, 813 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,823 but lock the door quickly. 814 00:46:49,907 --> 00:46:52,701 There is one more potential predator for you to know. 815 00:46:53,035 --> 00:46:55,120 The program has ended six episodes later, 816 00:46:55,204 --> 00:46:58,081 but still There were more people watching. 817 00:47:00,918 --> 00:47:03,629 Reruns continued on the air for years. 818 00:47:04,129 --> 00:47:07,216 The episodes remained online when this technology arrived. 819 00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:10,469 So, even though it's over, 820 00:47:11,178 --> 00:47:13,931 this didn't seem to lessen the program's appeal. 821 00:47:14,306 --> 00:47:16,225 How old was this girl? 822 00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:22,815 They learned something with what happened in Murphy? 823 00:47:25,317 --> 00:47:26,485 I don't know. 824 00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:34,243 They are still there doing the program, aren't you? 825 00:47:34,827 --> 00:47:36,411 What's happening to them? 826 00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:43,377 2. IMITATORS 827 00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:44,670 Have you entered yet? 828 00:47:45,379 --> 00:47:46,630 Yes, I'm in here. 829 00:47:46,713 --> 00:47:50,425 Alright, like I said, meet me by the milk, will you? 830 00:47:51,426 --> 00:47:52,469 All right, let's go. 831 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,941 Hey! I'm the 12 year old boy you came to fuck. 832 00:48:06,024 --> 00:48:07,568 If you run, you'll get caught! 833 00:48:07,651 --> 00:48:08,986 - What were you going to do? - Tell the truth! 834 00:48:09,069 --> 00:48:11,321 - Don't lie, bro! - Excuse me, guys! 835 00:48:11,405 --> 00:48:14,116 This guy is here to meet a 12 year old boy! 836 00:48:30,966 --> 00:48:35,137 Since To Catch a Predator, there are many groups like this online. 837 00:48:35,888 --> 00:48:40,267 Ordinary civilians, everyday people, going after these predators 838 00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:42,144 who try meet minors. 839 00:48:42,227 --> 00:48:44,021 He came to see a 13 year old boy! 840 00:48:44,313 --> 00:48:46,773 There is usually a lot of screaming. 841 00:48:46,857 --> 00:48:48,775 - Pervert! - Little boy rapist! 842 00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:50,944 They are very aggressive with the predator. 843 00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:54,364 This man is trying to catch a little boy on the internet! 844 00:48:56,158 --> 00:48:58,285 - Child abuser! - Excuse me, guys! 845 00:48:58,368 --> 00:49:00,996 He's here to meet a 14 year old girl! 846 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,998 It's great that they are catching people, 847 00:49:03,624 --> 00:49:07,878 but I thought, "Why isn't anyone doing Chris Hansen's thing, 848 00:49:07,961 --> 00:49:11,006 dress up with the blazer and print the chat log?" 849 00:49:12,007 --> 00:49:16,762 He is insightful, witty, he has a sense of humor. 850 00:49:17,179 --> 00:49:19,056 SKEET HANSEN - PREDATOR HUNTER 851 00:49:19,139 --> 00:49:21,224 I thought, "You know, I'm going to... 852 00:49:21,725 --> 00:49:23,936 impersonate Chris Hansen the best I can, 853 00:49:24,019 --> 00:49:26,063 and see if people like it." 854 00:49:30,192 --> 00:49:33,487 Alright then, we're in Grand Rapids again. 855 00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:35,280 Here's T-Coy, the bait. 856 00:49:35,364 --> 00:49:37,866 This is the potential predator he's on his way. 857 00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:41,036 He will arrive in a few minutes. 858 00:49:45,207 --> 00:49:48,752 - He said, "Seven minutes." - Seven minutes. Let's position ourselves. 859 00:49:49,419 --> 00:49:50,712 Seven minutes, let's go. 860 00:49:51,546 --> 00:49:52,714 Very good. 861 00:49:56,385 --> 00:49:57,970 Film his initial reaction. 862 00:49:58,637 --> 00:49:59,638 I see him. 863 00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:01,180 She saw him. 864 00:50:01,223 --> 00:50:02,432 Okay. 865 00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:11,566 Yay! 866 00:50:13,443 --> 00:50:15,237 - How are you? - I'm fine. 867 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,489 - I'm happy to see you! - Me too. 868 00:50:21,118 --> 00:50:22,411 Sit here. 869 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,124 - You don't look 14 years old. - I know. 870 00:50:27,374 --> 00:50:29,209 - Not really. - Yeah. 871 00:50:29,292 --> 00:50:31,753 But in my photos, yes. 872 00:50:33,338 --> 00:50:35,424 - Sometimes, sometimes. - Yes. 873 00:50:36,091 --> 00:50:37,259 Do you want to get food? 874 00:50:37,342 --> 00:50:39,761 Wait, let's go to your house, or are we going to stay here? 875 00:50:43,223 --> 00:50:44,307 How are you? 876 00:50:44,558 --> 00:50:45,600 What the fuck is this? 877 00:50:46,143 --> 00:50:48,729 Sir, I'm from Unity of Predator Investigation. 878 00:50:48,812 --> 00:50:50,230 We have the police on standby. 879 00:50:50,313 --> 00:50:51,815 Stay here in the bathroom. 880 00:50:52,149 --> 00:50:55,360 - I have some questions. You... - Can I leave, please? 881 00:50:55,444 --> 00:50:58,030 - Do you have any documents? - Can I leave, please? 882 00:50:58,321 --> 00:51:01,116 - I have... - I'm not going back, I'm going to disappear. 883 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,369 - Explain to me first, what... - We'll just ask you a few questions. 884 00:51:04,453 --> 00:51:06,371 Made you take the decision to come here. 885 00:51:07,247 --> 00:51:08,832 Can I make the decision to leave? 886 00:51:11,084 --> 00:51:14,713 Well, it will be up to the police to decide. 887 00:51:15,756 --> 00:51:18,216 And when they arrive in a few minutes... 888 00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:19,885 - What? - Let's talk about it. 889 00:51:20,177 --> 00:51:21,219 What? No! 890 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:24,598 I think it's better We all wait here. 891 00:51:24,681 --> 00:51:25,724 Calm down. 892 00:51:28,393 --> 00:51:30,896 Feel free to take a look, 893 00:51:30,979 --> 00:51:34,357 but these are the highlights of what he said. 894 00:51:34,441 --> 00:51:35,734 - It's basically... - Got it. 895 00:51:35,817 --> 00:51:38,195 I will photograph everything to confirm the evidence. 896 00:51:38,779 --> 00:51:40,697 There's a phone call with him too. 897 00:51:40,781 --> 00:51:43,116 He says several times, talks about To Catch a Predator, 898 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,451 "I don't want to get in trouble." 899 00:51:44,534 --> 00:51:46,369 - I'll put you to bed. - Yes of course. 900 00:51:46,453 --> 00:51:47,579 Don't be in a hurry. 901 00:51:50,123 --> 00:51:53,210 Our supposed predator in the sheriff's car. 902 00:51:55,337 --> 00:51:58,298 We will wait and see what will happen. 903 00:51:58,507 --> 00:52:01,802 Take a photo of concerned citizens here. 904 00:52:02,219 --> 00:52:03,887 Do you have more targets? 905 00:52:03,970 --> 00:52:08,141 Yes, I think we have one or two more lined up for today. Yes sir. 906 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,228 Alright, what's going to happen with this guy? 907 00:52:11,311 --> 00:52:13,146 - I have no idea. - Right. Let's see. 908 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,816 Once everything is compiled, 909 00:52:15,899 --> 00:52:17,901 the detectives will investigate and process. 910 00:52:17,984 --> 00:52:20,153 I understood. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. 911 00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:23,406 See you in half an hour! 912 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,538 If you post a video predator capture, 913 00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:33,166 and the police are not in it, they will bring you down. 914 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,753 But it doesn't have to be a real police presence. 915 00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:41,591 If you have any overlap fake car light like this, 916 00:52:42,008 --> 00:52:44,511 and there's my good friend Chet. 917 00:52:45,011 --> 00:52:47,222 We dressed him like a police officer, 918 00:52:47,305 --> 00:52:49,683 we put a badge that says "Official", 919 00:52:49,766 --> 00:52:52,477 but it says "Security" at the bottom, it's not even... 920 00:52:53,186 --> 00:52:55,272 Yes, it's totally false. 921 00:52:55,564 --> 00:52:57,023 You add sound effects, 922 00:52:57,107 --> 00:52:59,901 we put a walkie-talkie in it, The shirt says "Police". 923 00:52:59,985 --> 00:53:02,779 So in the eyes of YouTube, when they look at this, 924 00:53:02,863 --> 00:53:05,157 They will see a badge and it says "Police". 925 00:53:07,409 --> 00:53:10,662 Do you think your work is different? What did Chris Hansen do? 926 00:53:11,496 --> 00:53:12,747 He is a journalist. 927 00:53:13,165 --> 00:53:15,125 And I'm kind of... 928 00:53:15,208 --> 00:53:18,044 I think that always, for the most part, just seen as 929 00:53:18,295 --> 00:53:21,840 a YouTuber that only does it for the clicks 930 00:53:21,923 --> 00:53:24,092 and for the likes, views and everything. 931 00:53:24,301 --> 00:53:28,471 But he was my first inspiration to do this kind of thing. 932 00:53:30,307 --> 00:53:35,145 There was never a detective who solved a murder for free, 933 00:53:35,896 --> 00:53:40,150 So why shouldn't I being able to monetize by... 934 00:53:40,567 --> 00:53:43,028 get these guys as in the original program, 935 00:53:43,528 --> 00:53:46,364 and make this content for people's entertainment? 936 00:53:49,326 --> 00:53:50,535 Who is my baby? 937 00:53:50,994 --> 00:53:53,330 T-COY - BAIT 938 00:53:54,706 --> 00:53:55,916 Are you cold? 939 00:53:55,999 --> 00:53:58,293 You need a shirt, boy? 940 00:54:02,464 --> 00:54:04,049 Go live. 941 00:54:07,177 --> 00:54:09,304 I won't force you to do nothing. 942 00:54:10,805 --> 00:54:12,724 I'm glad you are my boyfriend. 943 00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,103 We could go to a shopping mall somewhere. 944 00:54:17,187 --> 00:54:18,688 Yes, it can be. 945 00:54:20,065 --> 00:54:24,653 it's funny to see people who do bad things... 946 00:54:25,403 --> 00:54:27,572 fall apart, get hurt. 947 00:54:27,656 --> 00:54:30,325 It's laughable. It's fucking funny 948 00:54:30,659 --> 00:54:33,870 when a bad person gets what he deserves. 949 00:54:34,412 --> 00:54:36,081 Think of it however you want. 950 00:54:37,791 --> 00:54:38,792 It's incredible. 951 00:54:39,626 --> 00:54:40,669 Yes. 952 00:54:41,253 --> 00:54:42,295 Isn't it? 953 00:54:43,129 --> 00:54:44,839 "Are you smooth?" 954 00:54:48,093 --> 00:54:50,679 "When was the last time that you had sex?" 955 00:54:52,305 --> 00:54:55,392 If I can talk with these guys for 16 hours a day, 956 00:54:55,475 --> 00:54:57,477 if they are engaged... 957 00:54:58,436 --> 00:55:01,273 they are not getting involved with someone's son. 958 00:55:03,024 --> 00:55:04,526 Why did you want to do this? 959 00:55:04,734 --> 00:55:06,778 I was asked to do this. 960 00:55:06,861 --> 00:55:10,490 I am a victim, or survivor, as you prefer, but... 961 00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:17,330 You know, I was abused myself by a child predator, so... 962 00:55:19,416 --> 00:55:21,251 Sorry, I'm looking away. 963 00:55:22,377 --> 00:55:26,214 But someone, another hunter, said: "I think you'd be good at that." 964 00:55:26,298 --> 00:55:28,967 because I speak, I make sound effects. 965 00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:31,344 I'm like this, When I'm doing something... 966 00:55:31,803 --> 00:55:34,597 I speak strangely, I love dogs, 967 00:55:34,681 --> 00:55:37,600 I'm always talking with that strange voice 968 00:55:37,684 --> 00:55:40,312 when I talk to animals, and I think it was, like... 969 00:55:40,937 --> 00:55:43,940 "Are you a character or could you play one", so on. 970 00:55:44,524 --> 00:55:47,444 Tell me how you feel when help catch these guys. 971 00:55:48,528 --> 00:55:53,325 It makes me feel good because, you know, I subject myself to this, 972 00:55:53,408 --> 00:55:55,285 to this perversion all day long. 973 00:55:55,744 --> 00:55:57,162 And it's like... 974 00:55:58,121 --> 00:56:03,168 I don't know, you finally get it crush the insect or, I don't know... 975 00:56:04,377 --> 00:56:07,839 That's why sometimes I seem so immature, 976 00:56:07,922 --> 00:56:11,801 because there is a child in me that says: 977 00:56:12,052 --> 00:56:15,305 "Yes! Screw you!" Can you understand? So... 978 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,352 And I start to scream and act immaturely because... 979 00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:25,732 I feel like it's what I'd like to do at that time, shame them. 980 00:56:27,442 --> 00:56:28,443 How are you? 981 00:56:29,152 --> 00:56:30,653 What the fuck is this? 982 00:56:30,737 --> 00:56:33,323 Sir, I am from Unity of Predator Research. 983 00:56:33,406 --> 00:56:34,824 We have the police on standby. 984 00:56:35,283 --> 00:56:36,368 What is your name? 985 00:56:37,202 --> 00:56:40,205 I think they believe who are doing the right thing 986 00:56:40,288 --> 00:56:41,873 by taking predators off the streets. 987 00:56:42,499 --> 00:56:44,667 It's the means that bother me. 988 00:56:46,544 --> 00:56:49,464 Because of work which I have been doing for 20 years 989 00:56:49,547 --> 00:56:51,424 with different groups of people in... 990 00:56:52,175 --> 00:56:54,803 in different types of challenging circumstances, 991 00:56:55,178 --> 00:56:58,223 my interest is always to see humanity, complexity, 992 00:56:58,973 --> 00:57:02,685 where they can only do what they do because they refuse to do so. 993 00:57:05,855 --> 00:57:09,484 I don't think I'm moral anymore than any of them, 994 00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:12,112 perhaps more sensitive? I don't know what it is, but... 995 00:57:15,615 --> 00:57:18,118 I felt uncomfortable being there. 996 00:57:20,537 --> 00:57:23,123 I guess I felt complicit. 997 00:57:30,171 --> 00:57:32,298 - I don't know. - Be careful. 998 00:57:39,514 --> 00:57:41,808 - I thought you were 14 years old. - I have. 999 00:57:42,225 --> 00:57:44,060 - What? - I have! 1000 00:57:45,437 --> 00:57:47,355 - It's not possible. - Yes! 1001 00:57:47,856 --> 00:57:49,691 - Be serious. - I'll be 15 in September. 1002 00:57:49,774 --> 00:57:51,734 - You're bullshit. - No! Give me a shout. 1003 00:57:51,818 --> 00:57:52,861 Is there no one here? 1004 00:57:52,944 --> 00:57:53,861 Give me one! 1005 00:57:53,862 --> 00:57:55,280 - How are you? - Damn. 1006 00:57:55,822 --> 00:57:58,032 That's right, "Damn." Sir, sit here. 1007 00:57:58,116 --> 00:57:59,117 No! 1008 00:57:59,409 --> 00:58:01,744 - It's okay. - Calm down, no one is going to hurt you. 1009 00:58:01,828 --> 00:58:03,746 - Let's talk. - The police are here. 1010 00:58:03,830 --> 00:58:06,541 - Please sit there. - Let's talk, man. 1011 00:58:06,749 --> 00:58:08,793 - Don't worry, just breathe. - Okay. 1012 00:58:08,877 --> 00:58:11,045 - Take a deep breath. - Drink some water. 1013 00:58:11,129 --> 00:58:13,465 I don't want to touch you, but I brought you water. 1014 00:58:13,548 --> 00:58:15,967 - Don't touch me! - Calm down, no one will touch you. 1015 00:58:16,050 --> 00:58:17,343 We just want to talk. 1016 00:58:17,427 --> 00:58:18,928 I don't want to lose everything. 1017 00:58:19,012 --> 00:58:20,263 We just want to talk. 1018 00:58:20,346 --> 00:58:24,851 Think carefully before doing something crazy. Breathe, drink the water. It's sealed. 1019 00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:26,603 I'm trying to help you. 1020 00:58:26,686 --> 00:58:30,148 I spent a large part of my life trying to escape this compulsion. 1021 00:58:34,235 --> 00:58:35,320 Right. 1022 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:38,781 Well, after today, You know, you'll... 1023 00:58:39,282 --> 00:58:44,496 Well, I hope you take action that you need to take to improve. 1024 00:58:44,579 --> 00:58:46,831 If you know programs, I accept suggestions. 1025 00:58:46,915 --> 00:58:49,751 Because I don't know where to go from that, unless... 1026 00:58:49,834 --> 00:58:53,963 the right steps, not going back. I can't... 1027 00:58:54,047 --> 00:58:55,673 - Maybe we could... - go back. 1028 00:58:55,757 --> 00:58:57,884 I know we can make some contacts 1029 00:58:58,343 --> 00:59:01,179 and see if there's anything we can align for you. 1030 00:59:01,846 --> 00:59:03,473 I can't lose my job. 1031 00:59:03,806 --> 00:59:06,601 I can't lose everything I worked for. 1032 00:59:06,684 --> 00:59:08,561 All my friends will... 1033 00:59:10,563 --> 00:59:13,191 I can't. I don't know... 1034 00:59:13,858 --> 00:59:17,153 I don't know how long I would last if I did that. I really... 1035 00:59:19,447 --> 00:59:21,783 We don't want that it comes to something like this. 1036 00:59:21,866 --> 00:59:24,661 Neither do I, because I want to be close to my son. I just... 1037 00:59:25,411 --> 00:59:28,164 - Right. - I just don't want to be in this situation. 1038 00:59:28,748 --> 00:59:31,751 - Yes. Well, we're going to... - Nobody wants to be at the bottom of the well. 1039 00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:35,922 No, let's make some calls and see if we can make it... 1040 00:59:36,714 --> 00:59:38,716 someone with whom you can talk. 1041 00:59:41,761 --> 00:59:45,181 But, Eric, if that's all you have to say for yourself, so... 1042 00:59:45,265 --> 00:59:47,267 you must know that I I'm Skeet Hansen 1043 00:59:47,350 --> 00:59:49,686 of the Research Unit of Predators. 1044 00:59:50,395 --> 00:59:53,940 And we are doing an online series about adults trying to meet 1045 00:59:54,023 --> 00:59:56,442 underage girls online for sex, 1046 00:59:56,943 --> 00:59:58,945 and you just got caught. 1047 00:59:59,028 --> 01:00:02,991 If you want to say anything else thing, we'd love to hear. 1048 01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:09,080 If not, our friends Grand Rapids Police 1049 01:00:09,163 --> 01:00:11,124 They'll be here soon and... 1050 01:00:11,958 --> 01:00:16,963 they will resolve the situation and see if they can guide you to... 1051 01:00:17,046 --> 01:00:18,840 Try to give a direction to your life. 1052 01:00:19,257 --> 01:00:21,718 That, to put it on the right path, yes. 1053 01:00:34,772 --> 01:00:35,857 All very well? 1054 01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:46,826 It was from the police station. They they won't send anyone now. 1055 01:00:47,035 --> 01:00:48,036 What the hell. 1056 01:00:48,369 --> 01:00:51,372 The only problem It's just that he's... 1057 01:00:51,623 --> 01:00:54,125 - He's a bit suicidal, so... - He is! 1058 01:00:54,208 --> 01:00:58,212 We have to keep an eye on this guy. I don't want a death on my account. 1059 01:00:59,005 --> 01:01:00,465 So what do we do? 1060 01:01:01,424 --> 01:01:03,760 Call 911 and ask what should you do 1061 01:01:03,843 --> 01:01:07,805 if you are with someone who wants to commit suicide. 1062 01:01:20,068 --> 01:01:21,527 I have a question. 1063 01:01:21,611 --> 01:01:24,030 We are doing two things here. 1064 01:01:25,323 --> 01:01:29,410 They're doing Skeet's thing and we, a documentary about it. 1065 01:01:29,494 --> 01:01:32,288 Could you sign a waiver of consent for us? 1066 01:01:32,372 --> 01:01:34,916 We can't show your face if you don't sign. 1067 01:01:35,333 --> 01:01:38,920 They can, but I want to know if you would sign. 1068 01:01:39,837 --> 01:01:41,214 Wait a minute. 1069 01:01:42,256 --> 01:01:44,217 - I'm confused. - Yes. 1070 01:01:45,134 --> 01:01:48,388 They can't publish my face on the internet, correct? 1071 01:01:48,888 --> 01:01:51,432 We are doing two different things here. 1072 01:01:52,141 --> 01:01:53,976 I can only answer about ours. 1073 01:01:57,146 --> 01:01:58,606 - You can refuse. - Yes. 1074 01:01:58,856 --> 01:02:01,901 I will refuse, This is a very bad part of... 1075 01:02:02,443 --> 01:02:05,697 I'm not trying hide nothing, it's just... 1076 01:02:06,406 --> 01:02:08,449 I don't need anything remind me of that. 1077 01:02:09,158 --> 01:02:11,953 Even more so if I can get there where I want to be. 1078 01:02:12,036 --> 01:02:14,997 - Of course, I understand. - I appreciate you asking. 1079 01:02:15,081 --> 01:02:16,165 I'm... 1080 01:02:16,708 --> 01:02:19,419 I don't want to look back and see me like... 1081 01:02:20,211 --> 01:02:22,004 the person who got stuck in it. 1082 01:02:25,299 --> 01:02:26,592 It's okay, I understand. 1083 01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:40,273 The sheriff arrived. 1084 01:02:43,776 --> 01:02:47,864 Well, That was a heavy situation. 1085 01:02:49,824 --> 01:02:50,992 That was crazy. 1086 01:02:51,993 --> 01:02:54,454 He said he had already watched to one of my videos. 1087 01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:56,998 - And he was laughing at how... - He even said 1088 01:02:57,081 --> 01:02:58,082 the guys are stupid! 1089 01:02:58,166 --> 01:02:59,584 That the things we do, 1090 01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:04,130 In his words, "They're better than in To Catch a Predator". 1091 01:03:04,213 --> 01:03:05,506 He said that right. 1092 01:03:05,590 --> 01:03:09,802 I don't know if I agree, because they They're the old guard, but... 1093 01:03:10,928 --> 01:03:14,098 But anyway, I'm flattered with Eric's words. 1094 01:03:15,933 --> 01:03:18,936 In fact, I feel bad for him. He needs help. 1095 01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:22,732 We know why he's here, That's why he's a monster, right? 1096 01:03:22,815 --> 01:03:24,150 But he needs help. 1097 01:03:24,233 --> 01:03:25,860 - For sure. - He really needs it. 1098 01:03:25,943 --> 01:03:26,986 So I hope... 1099 01:03:27,195 --> 01:03:29,906 As we said today, I hope he receives this help. 1100 01:03:29,989 --> 01:03:32,116 If it puts you on the axis and save your life, 1101 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,703 For me, what we did in the last few two years was worth it. 1102 01:03:36,287 --> 01:03:38,790 - Saving a life is what matters. - Of course, that's it. 1103 01:03:39,582 --> 01:03:40,625 That's it. 1104 01:03:40,708 --> 01:03:44,128 A child's life and the life of a predator, look. 1105 01:03:54,597 --> 01:03:58,643 I watch To Catch a Predator as an attempt to make... 1106 01:03:59,310 --> 01:04:02,230 public service entertainment. 1107 01:04:03,981 --> 01:04:07,652 But do you think it's possible that something designed 1108 01:04:08,486 --> 01:04:11,906 as entertainment be a public service? 1109 01:04:14,575 --> 01:04:16,077 Great question, actually. 1110 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,788 You've thought about this a lot, clearly. 1111 01:04:19,288 --> 01:04:22,124 Well, it's because I'm thinking 1112 01:04:22,208 --> 01:04:25,253 in the moral question of what am I asking people to analyze. 1113 01:04:27,797 --> 01:04:32,802 And even in what I'm doing with this movie 1114 01:04:34,136 --> 01:04:35,930 and why I'm recording it. 1115 01:04:36,347 --> 01:04:37,932 I know. And why would it be? 1116 01:04:47,316 --> 01:04:49,902 I was abused by a child predator. 1117 01:04:50,862 --> 01:04:53,281 And for me, 1118 01:04:53,906 --> 01:04:57,201 throughout life I've been trying to understand 1119 01:04:58,369 --> 01:05:01,247 How could anyone do that. 1120 01:05:03,374 --> 01:05:06,669 And part of what attracted me to the program when I was young 1121 01:05:07,295 --> 01:05:10,715 was the initial question what Chris did: 1122 01:05:11,132 --> 01:05:12,508 "Help me understand." 1123 01:05:15,219 --> 01:05:18,180 But the show never responded to that question for me. 1124 01:05:20,892 --> 01:05:23,978 I don't think he's ever been really interested in the answer. 1125 01:05:25,646 --> 01:05:27,148 So the more I learned, 1126 01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:30,484 but I was disappointed. 1127 01:05:35,072 --> 01:05:36,073 Wow. 1128 01:05:40,161 --> 01:05:41,996 - I'm very sorry. - No, it's... 1129 01:05:43,414 --> 01:05:44,749 For me it's... 1130 01:05:45,583 --> 01:05:47,752 I think it taught me about empathy. 1131 01:05:50,004 --> 01:05:54,884 And I regret that the program try to crush it. 1132 01:06:03,434 --> 01:06:04,644 What you just said, 1133 01:06:04,727 --> 01:06:07,521 regarding Chris Hansen's question, "Help me understand." 1134 01:06:07,605 --> 01:06:09,607 and about her not having been answered. 1135 01:06:10,358 --> 01:06:12,652 It's because it's not about really about understanding. 1136 01:06:13,986 --> 01:06:18,449 It reminded me, when you look at the frames, 1137 01:06:18,532 --> 01:06:22,453 where the predators are confronted by hunters. 1138 01:06:25,498 --> 01:06:29,126 We always see the hunters asking repeatedly: 1139 01:06:29,418 --> 01:06:31,963 "Why? Why did you do that?" 1140 01:06:33,005 --> 01:06:36,175 Or "What did you think would happen? Why a child?" 1141 01:06:38,094 --> 01:06:39,679 And they keep asking the question 1142 01:06:39,762 --> 01:06:42,848 because there is an answer to be given, there really never is. 1143 01:06:43,557 --> 01:06:45,476 And I wonder if this maybe happens 1144 01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:49,313 because the predator himself, Often, you don't know. 1145 01:06:49,772 --> 01:06:52,108 You just don't know, understand? 1146 01:06:59,323 --> 01:07:01,742 But understanding is not the objective of the program. 1147 01:07:19,927 --> 01:07:21,012 Don't make noise. 1148 01:07:24,765 --> 01:07:29,228 I didn't even realize I was a victim until I was 20. 1149 01:07:30,187 --> 01:07:32,440 I didn't realize either until I was 20 years old. 1150 01:07:32,940 --> 01:07:35,818 I watched To Catch a Predator in my dorm, 1151 01:07:36,485 --> 01:07:40,239 and part What fascinated me was... 1152 01:07:40,322 --> 01:07:43,409 - Watch them fall. - I try to understand... 1153 01:07:44,118 --> 01:07:46,579 How could a human do this? with another human. 1154 01:07:47,955 --> 01:07:49,790 - Especially with a child. - Yes. 1155 01:07:51,751 --> 01:07:53,127 With anyone, really. 1156 01:07:58,591 --> 01:08:01,552 The smile on Skeeter's face It's priceless. 1157 01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:11,145 I don't believe in anything of what he is saying. 1158 01:08:11,687 --> 01:08:14,857 He just got two hours free therapy with you. 1159 01:08:20,237 --> 01:08:23,532 Wow, his look is very evil. 1160 01:08:25,076 --> 01:08:26,077 �? 1161 01:08:30,206 --> 01:08:33,375 I mean, I didn't even get there It's still so far away, because I think... 1162 01:08:34,168 --> 01:08:36,837 Whatever. Do you understand me? Everyone likes to fuck. 1163 01:08:37,671 --> 01:08:39,256 I don't understand why... 1164 01:08:39,673 --> 01:08:42,676 You know, I think sexual addiction It's a real thing, but... 1165 01:08:44,178 --> 01:08:46,722 I don't know. I don't trust this guy. 1166 01:08:48,766 --> 01:08:50,309 He was there to do it. 1167 01:08:51,268 --> 01:08:52,978 And he even brought her a drink. 1168 01:08:55,815 --> 01:08:56,899 This is crazy. 1169 01:09:01,403 --> 01:09:03,405 If you are going to leave a child... 1170 01:09:03,614 --> 01:09:06,867 If you will listen to the suggestion of a child, so... 1171 01:09:07,993 --> 01:09:09,411 I don't know, this is so... 1172 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,206 dangerous. 1173 01:09:15,251 --> 01:09:17,044 It's difficult Don't feel bad for him. 1174 01:09:17,128 --> 01:09:19,964 Maybe that's why I don't want watch, that's why I don't 1175 01:09:20,047 --> 01:09:23,634 I went too far, because I don't want to sit here and feel sorry for him. 1176 01:09:25,553 --> 01:09:28,681 I'm human, even if sometimes I can be a bitch. 1177 01:09:31,308 --> 01:09:33,144 I don't know Why do I feel bad for him? 1178 01:09:35,604 --> 01:09:37,231 I think it's because it's sad. 1179 01:09:58,544 --> 01:10:00,421 Hi Chris, nice to see you. 1180 01:10:00,754 --> 01:10:02,673 Hey! Alright, how are you? 1181 01:10:05,176 --> 01:10:06,176 Yes. 1182 01:10:07,761 --> 01:10:09,805 Yes, I saw that. That's great. 1183 01:10:11,473 --> 01:10:14,810 I remembered all the filming but they kind of disappeared. 1184 01:10:15,936 --> 01:10:17,396 I'm sorry, David. 1185 01:10:18,355 --> 01:10:21,192 Yes, of course. You have a little more space. Yes. 1186 01:10:23,652 --> 01:10:25,279 Keep going, keep going, keep going. 1187 01:10:25,654 --> 01:10:28,407 Yes, it's your turn. Okay, fine. 1188 01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:31,202 Want some water next to the cup of coffee? 1189 01:10:31,285 --> 01:10:33,287 - Yes. That would be amazing. - Here, sir. 1190 01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:34,914 - It's on your left. - Thanks. 1191 01:10:37,791 --> 01:10:40,836 Who would have thought that, at 64, 1192 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,840 I would have three generations of followers? 1193 01:10:46,634 --> 01:10:50,846 TruBlu is the place to watch episodes from Takedown with Chris Hansen, 1194 01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:54,975 documentaries and exclusive investigations. 1195 01:10:55,059 --> 01:10:57,937 400 thousand subscribers on YouTube channel! 1196 01:11:00,064 --> 01:11:03,067 My audience is from 75 to 15 years old! 1197 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,903 - Very good! - Seriously, that was fantastic. 1198 01:11:06,528 --> 01:11:07,655 Thanks. 1199 01:11:08,447 --> 01:11:11,200 I need a coffee. Do they want something from Starbucks? 1200 01:11:11,283 --> 01:11:12,660 Ready. You're welcome. 1201 01:11:15,663 --> 01:11:19,124 Chris has journalism in his heart. And really wants to work in news. 1202 01:11:19,208 --> 01:11:20,751 SHAWN RECH CO-FOUNDER OF TRUBLU 1203 01:11:21,377 --> 01:11:24,171 And as long as we can give If we have the luxury of doing it, we will do it. 1204 01:11:25,506 --> 01:11:28,217 Tell me if this It is not the classic essay. 1205 01:11:30,594 --> 01:11:34,473 This place is going to look like Vice in six months. 1206 01:11:39,019 --> 01:11:41,522 When "Black Lives Matter" became popular, 1207 01:11:41,855 --> 01:11:44,358 when people stayed angry with the police, 1208 01:11:45,025 --> 01:11:47,486 Hollywood canceled all crime series. 1209 01:11:48,028 --> 01:11:50,990 They canceled Cops, canceled Live PD, 1210 01:11:51,198 --> 01:11:54,910 they canceled Crime Watch Daily, canceled Paw Patrol. 1211 01:11:54,994 --> 01:11:57,329 Everything to show that they don't support the police. 1212 01:11:58,038 --> 01:12:01,166 is a perennial genre, people always want to watch. 1213 01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:03,877 People like to stay Happy that it's not them. 1214 01:12:03,961 --> 01:12:07,089 People like to compare themselves with the depraved 1215 01:12:07,172 --> 01:12:09,550 to feel better about who they are. 1216 01:12:10,384 --> 01:12:13,095 I don't know what the motivation is of everyone to watch this 1217 01:12:13,178 --> 01:12:14,722 but there's an audience for that. 1218 01:12:15,472 --> 01:12:19,268 So, I chose the program most revolutionary police officer, 1219 01:12:19,935 --> 01:12:23,689 and I went to my friend Chris Hansen, and we reinvented it. 1220 01:12:25,357 --> 01:12:27,735 We became very good in attracting these men, 1221 01:12:27,818 --> 01:12:31,447 and we want to make sure that processes are maintained. 1222 01:12:34,616 --> 01:12:36,076 We won't stop. 1223 01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:49,089 I think the research we did in Cambodia 1224 01:12:49,173 --> 01:12:52,968 it was fundamental in my campaign 1225 01:12:53,052 --> 01:12:56,722 when it came to the investigations of predators, without a doubt. 1226 01:12:57,097 --> 01:12:59,183 Tonight, we will take them in disguise, 1227 01:12:59,266 --> 01:13:01,602 into the world of child sex trafficking. 1228 01:13:01,685 --> 01:13:03,312 ONE YEAR BEFORE TO CATCH A PREDATOR. 1229 01:13:03,395 --> 01:13:05,397 Where, every year, according to some estimates, 1230 01:13:05,481 --> 01:13:08,650 hundreds of thousands of children are bought, sold 1231 01:13:08,734 --> 01:13:12,279 or kidnapped, and then forced having sex with adult men. 1232 01:13:12,571 --> 01:13:17,534 This was the first investigation which shocked our viewers. 1233 01:13:17,618 --> 01:13:19,370 This girl says she's 9 years old. 1234 01:13:19,453 --> 01:13:21,872 She is accompanied by another who says he is 10 years old. 1235 01:13:22,206 --> 01:13:24,708 Both say who know how to give oral sex, 1236 01:13:24,792 --> 01:13:27,753 and they even tell us how much will it cost. 1237 01:13:27,836 --> 01:13:30,130 If you don't like it, you don't have to pay. 1238 01:13:30,214 --> 01:13:32,466 An American who was caught in the investigation 1239 01:13:32,549 --> 01:13:35,928 was an anesthesiologist in Guam. 1240 01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:37,971 We caught him on hidden camera 1241 01:13:38,055 --> 01:13:40,057 explaining how to have sex with a child. 1242 01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:42,434 And we wanted to confront him. 1243 01:13:42,518 --> 01:13:44,728 We took a plane, we flew to Guam, 1244 01:13:44,812 --> 01:13:47,439 we went to his office, to the parking lot... 1245 01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:49,817 Here comes Jerry Albom. 1246 01:13:52,027 --> 01:13:55,572 My heart is in my throat, and I will approach him. 1247 01:13:55,864 --> 01:13:59,326 Hey, Dr. Albom? Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC. How are you? 1248 01:13:59,410 --> 01:14:00,536 - Nice to meet you. - Good. 1249 01:14:00,619 --> 01:14:02,413 We are doing an investigation 1250 01:14:02,496 --> 01:14:05,999 about the prostitute trade minors in Cambodia. 1251 01:14:07,334 --> 01:14:10,045 And we know you attended 1252 01:14:10,504 --> 01:14:12,756 some of the places on the outskirts of Phnom Penh, 1253 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,050 - with underage girls. - No. 1254 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,011 Not that I know of. 1255 01:14:20,055 --> 01:14:22,224 - Can I show you a recording? - Yes. 1256 01:14:22,683 --> 01:14:24,560 Was this your first ambush? 1257 01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:26,228 Was it like showing the chats? 1258 01:14:26,311 --> 01:14:27,646 ONLY GIRLS AGE 15, 16 1259 01:14:27,729 --> 01:14:29,898 That's it! You have a chance, you have to take advantage of it. 1260 01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:32,484 And he came with a lot of excuses. 1261 01:14:32,568 --> 01:14:36,029 I was drunk or maybe I was drugged, who knows? 1262 01:14:36,113 --> 01:14:38,574 - That's not... - Drunk or drugged? Of course! 1263 01:14:39,408 --> 01:14:40,576 Is that your defense? 1264 01:14:40,951 --> 01:14:43,537 - Yes! - It was an incredible TV moment. 1265 01:14:44,371 --> 01:14:46,498 The story airs, we are at the airport, 1266 01:14:46,582 --> 01:14:51,170 and some of the rescued girls appear in a tuk-tuk taxi and... 1267 01:14:51,628 --> 01:14:53,130 we all have banana splits. 1268 01:14:53,213 --> 01:14:55,424 And they were in a much better place, 1269 01:14:55,507 --> 01:14:58,343 they looked great, were dressed appropriately, 1270 01:14:58,427 --> 01:15:00,512 they are taking classes. 1271 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,183 The time has come to board the plane, 1272 01:15:04,266 --> 01:15:07,227 I look at these girls and they are crying. 1273 01:15:09,354 --> 01:15:12,441 It was one of those incredible moments that remind you 1274 01:15:12,774 --> 01:15:16,695 that someone's life is better because of the history we made. 1275 01:15:21,366 --> 01:15:25,829 I think this is the type of report That I should be doing. 1276 01:15:28,457 --> 01:15:30,501 We just took her to the next level. 1277 01:15:31,376 --> 01:15:32,878 It looks like he's coming. 1278 01:15:33,212 --> 01:15:37,716 It seems so. He wants to wait the sun sets because he is nervous. 1279 01:15:37,799 --> 01:15:40,219 He wants to be sure that there are no cameras. 1280 01:15:40,302 --> 01:15:41,345 That's right. 1281 01:15:41,637 --> 01:15:45,557 How do you feel about amateur predator hunters 1282 01:15:45,974 --> 01:15:47,976 which were directly inspired by you? 1283 01:15:48,602 --> 01:15:51,605 I work together with the police. 1284 01:15:52,731 --> 01:15:57,903 Predator hunting guards They do it for the likes and the profit. 1285 01:15:58,987 --> 01:16:01,448 What do I do It's for a greater purpose. 1286 01:16:03,408 --> 01:16:05,661 Police! Don't move! 1287 01:16:25,973 --> 01:16:27,849 Three, two, one... 1288 01:16:30,978 --> 01:16:33,855 In my 20 years of research of predators 1289 01:16:33,939 --> 01:16:35,774 looking for children for sex, 1290 01:16:36,066 --> 01:16:40,571 I came across several cases in which the predator is 18 years old. 1291 01:16:40,821 --> 01:16:42,573 Now this might be controversial, 1292 01:16:42,656 --> 01:16:46,034 many people see this like a Romeo and Juliet situation. 1293 01:16:46,285 --> 01:16:47,786 But it's illegal. 1294 01:16:47,869 --> 01:16:51,290 In this case, Hunter was not totally honest. 1295 01:16:51,498 --> 01:16:54,668 But he knew that what was doing was against the law. 1296 01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:06,263 One more for safety? 1297 01:17:07,347 --> 01:17:10,642 - Do you have the name of the project for me? - Takedown: Hunter. 1298 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,605 When we look for Hunter's final cut 1299 01:17:14,688 --> 01:17:17,065 we both need it be sensitive to the fact that, 1300 01:17:17,149 --> 01:17:18,900 he's his age and everything. 1301 01:17:19,276 --> 01:17:20,694 Yes, look... 1302 01:17:21,695 --> 01:17:23,947 But you were kind, right? Were you kind? 1303 01:17:24,031 --> 01:17:27,117 Yes, you will see. You will have the last one... Go watch it last, 1304 01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:28,910 and just like me... 1305 01:17:28,994 --> 01:17:30,996 Was he 18? Who did he go to find? 1306 01:17:31,496 --> 01:17:33,040 A 15 year old boy. 1307 01:17:33,123 --> 01:17:36,126 One 15 and one 18. In Ohio, this is legal. 1308 01:17:37,044 --> 01:17:38,503 In Michigan, it seems not, 1309 01:17:38,587 --> 01:17:41,882 but they allow a difference 3 years between veteran and freshman. 1310 01:17:41,965 --> 01:17:43,884 - I understood. - So, like that... 1311 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,553 this must be a Michigan thing. 1312 01:17:47,095 --> 01:17:51,683 But there's no way. I mean, I think people will forgive. 1313 01:17:52,225 --> 01:17:55,937 Look, I hope we're not ruining his life. 1314 01:17:59,316 --> 01:18:02,903 A member of the revised task force Hunter looking for his wallet. 1315 01:18:02,986 --> 01:18:04,321 Turn up the volume. 1316 01:18:04,905 --> 01:18:09,034 We discovered that Hunter I was 18 years old some time ago. 1317 01:18:09,493 --> 01:18:12,329 It's time for Hunter to sit down. 1318 01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:16,249 The tears start to flow. 1319 01:18:17,501 --> 01:18:19,169 And he starts begging. 1320 01:18:19,252 --> 01:18:23,715 Please don't ruin my life. Don't do this to me! Please! 1321 01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,349 They asked me If I was Hunter's mother, 1322 01:18:34,059 --> 01:18:37,562 I said yes, they said that he had been arrested. 1323 01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,858 He just walked away three blocks! 1324 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:43,485 And it went! 1325 01:18:45,654 --> 01:18:48,281 It was the summer before his last year in high school. 1326 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:52,953 He stood out in the choir in Arts, and... 1327 01:18:53,495 --> 01:18:55,747 I was about to have the best year of your life. 1328 01:18:57,874 --> 01:19:01,837 I started receiving phone calls from people... 1329 01:19:04,005 --> 01:19:09,678 informing me that my son would be in the next episode that would air. 1330 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,893 In my head, I didn't believe that they would actually transmit 1331 01:19:16,977 --> 01:19:19,855 this mistake from an 18 year old. 1332 01:19:20,647 --> 01:19:25,235 That Chris Hansen would be willing to stoop so low for the show. 1333 01:19:26,528 --> 01:19:31,825 I don't know how the worst day of my life could be something that... 1334 01:19:35,704 --> 01:19:37,914 people are profiting from above. 1335 01:19:40,792 --> 01:19:42,753 Hunter couldn't go back to school. 1336 01:19:43,378 --> 01:19:45,213 He was being accused of crimes, 1337 01:19:45,297 --> 01:19:51,219 and at the arraignment, the judge explained to us your stipulations for Hunter, 1338 01:19:51,845 --> 01:19:56,475 and this includes no contact with anyone under the age of 17 1339 01:19:56,767 --> 01:20:00,187 without the presence from a supervising adult. 1340 01:20:00,896 --> 01:20:05,317 Hunter couldn't be alone at home with his 16-year-old brother. 1341 01:20:06,026 --> 01:20:10,447 No school. No job. He lived in his room. 1342 01:20:12,407 --> 01:20:14,242 And we tried to do that... 1343 01:20:16,244 --> 01:20:17,370 be nice. 1344 01:20:18,705 --> 01:20:22,918 And, in part, so that Hunter had a kind of refuge 1345 01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:26,463 We put up heavy curtains and we took them all away... 1346 01:20:26,755 --> 01:20:29,674 identifiers outside... 1347 01:20:33,595 --> 01:20:37,808 We remove all identifiers outside the house, so... 1348 01:20:55,116 --> 01:20:56,159 Sorry. 1349 01:21:18,765 --> 01:21:20,350 Do you want to go talk to him? 1350 01:21:23,019 --> 01:21:25,355 I don't think he had cried since then. 1351 01:21:37,242 --> 01:21:41,204 I don't think so far, 1352 01:21:41,288 --> 01:21:45,125 he really realized of what you lost. 1353 01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,924 And everything that was taken from him. 1354 01:22:10,525 --> 01:22:12,360 I wish Chris... 1355 01:22:13,445 --> 01:22:16,990 could feel 1% of our pain. 1356 01:22:21,244 --> 01:22:22,954 Even if it doesn't fix anything. 1357 01:22:31,796 --> 01:22:34,132 By the way, all the food is down there! 1358 01:22:34,215 --> 01:22:35,759 All kinds of food, yes? 1359 01:22:36,801 --> 01:22:39,095 This is our third contract and, I hope, 1360 01:22:39,304 --> 01:22:41,556 - gives us a lot of profit with advertisements. - It's incredible. 1361 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,767 We released some new episodes, and that's it. 1362 01:22:44,017 --> 01:22:47,103 13.4 million views, 2 million hours watched. 1363 01:22:47,604 --> 01:22:51,316 Let's receive the plaque 100 thousand subscribers, that's good. 1364 01:22:52,150 --> 01:22:57,238 This is the culmination of 40 years being a TV journalist here. 1365 01:22:57,822 --> 01:22:59,282 Everything I did, 1366 01:22:59,658 --> 01:23:02,661 all the Emmys, all the Edward R. Murrow Awards, 1367 01:23:03,286 --> 01:23:06,790 every year on NBC, everything led to this. 1368 01:23:08,124 --> 01:23:09,124 Let's go! 1369 01:23:16,257 --> 01:23:18,551 The suspect is armed and extremely dangerous. 1370 01:23:18,635 --> 01:23:20,929 I'm Chris Hansen. 1371 01:23:39,739 --> 01:23:41,866 I watch your show since I was 10. 1372 01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:42,951 Wow! Thank you! 1373 01:23:43,576 --> 01:23:45,870 - Thanks! Where are you from? - It's a pleasure. Atlanta. 1374 01:23:46,454 --> 01:23:48,748 - Thank you very much. - It's so good to meet you. 1375 01:23:48,832 --> 01:23:50,458 The pleasure is mine. Thanks for coming. 1376 01:23:51,918 --> 01:23:54,129 Chris! I haven't seen you in a long time! 1377 01:23:54,879 --> 01:23:56,214 18 years later! 1378 01:23:59,134 --> 01:24:01,136 You are my star of true crime. 1379 01:24:01,219 --> 01:24:03,304 - Thanks. - Let's dedicate this to the victims 1380 01:24:03,388 --> 01:24:05,557 to which we dedicate our lives. Thanks. 1381 01:24:05,890 --> 01:24:06,891 Take care. 1382 01:24:06,975 --> 01:24:11,062 Chris Hansen and the county sheriff from Genesee, Michigan, Chris Swanson! 1383 01:24:15,108 --> 01:24:16,151 John. 1384 01:24:17,277 --> 01:24:18,278 John. 1385 01:24:19,696 --> 01:24:20,697 John? 1386 01:24:21,740 --> 01:24:24,367 There are cameras everywhere, John. 1387 01:24:24,451 --> 01:24:25,493 John... 1388 01:24:26,077 --> 01:24:28,663 No, you're not in charge here, John. 1389 01:24:28,997 --> 01:24:31,833 Cameras will not be disconnected, without discussion. 1390 01:24:32,083 --> 01:24:35,795 Because we are here covering the occurrence of an alleged crime. 1391 01:24:36,337 --> 01:24:39,424 - Are you? - John, I saw the transcripts! 1392 01:24:43,303 --> 01:24:46,347 Tell and show identity of these individuals, 1393 01:24:46,431 --> 01:24:49,309 show that they are exposed, It's so vital! 1394 01:24:49,392 --> 01:24:51,936 I would trade two his years in prison 1395 01:24:52,020 --> 01:24:54,230 to have this, any day of the week. 1396 01:24:54,606 --> 01:24:57,859 But there is a group of authorities we need 1397 01:24:58,068 --> 01:25:00,195 which is more important than you and me, 1398 01:25:01,071 --> 01:25:02,572 they are you. 1399 01:25:02,989 --> 01:25:05,617 The times you share an episode of TruBlu, 1400 01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:09,079 the stories you tell to your friends and family, 1401 01:25:09,788 --> 01:25:12,874 you are the best tool of law enforcement in America. 1402 01:25:30,767 --> 01:25:32,852 Perhaps the appeal of a program like this 1403 01:25:32,936 --> 01:25:36,106 that is a world of good versus evil. 1404 01:25:37,398 --> 01:25:39,484 And you know which side are you on. 1405 01:25:42,862 --> 01:25:44,823 is a form empowering to live, 1406 01:25:45,698 --> 01:25:47,617 especially if you are a victim. 1407 01:25:52,664 --> 01:25:54,415 This helps you turn the tables. 1408 01:26:02,465 --> 01:26:03,925 And so, who knows... 1409 01:26:05,844 --> 01:26:07,387 you can heal... 1410 01:26:10,515 --> 01:26:11,641 a wound. 1411 01:26:19,524 --> 01:26:22,861 You feel closer to understand how... 1412 01:26:23,278 --> 01:26:25,697 Does this happen to children? 1413 01:26:27,031 --> 01:26:28,074 No. 1414 01:26:28,658 --> 01:26:32,203 I never heard an explanation from a predator I caught 1415 01:26:33,121 --> 01:26:35,331 that justified the action. 1416 01:26:35,415 --> 01:26:38,293 It doesn't justify it. I I don't think it's justifiable. 1417 01:26:38,376 --> 01:26:42,714 Did you mean something that explains, something that helps make sense of it. 1418 01:26:42,797 --> 01:26:45,675 It never made sense to me, I can't measure it. 1419 01:26:46,092 --> 01:26:49,179 And I think that's why we have as much difficulty as society 1420 01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:51,055 in dealing with this issue. 1421 01:26:51,097 --> 01:26:54,642 We want simple solutions, lock them away forever, 1422 01:26:55,101 --> 01:26:57,812 give them a pill that prevents them from doing this, 1423 01:26:58,313 --> 01:27:00,732 or, place them on appropriate therapy. 1424 01:27:00,815 --> 01:27:02,483 But there are different guys. 1425 01:27:02,567 --> 01:27:04,569 You have some predators more aggressive 1426 01:27:04,777 --> 01:27:07,197 who would be doing this with or without internet. 1427 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,117 And you have the young ones opportunists, in their early 20s, 1428 01:27:11,451 --> 01:27:15,205 have difficulty socializing with other men or women. 1429 01:27:15,496 --> 01:27:19,500 And I think the third group are guys who wouldn't do this without the internet. 1430 01:27:19,792 --> 01:27:24,422 Unlimited access, anonymity and the addictive nature of it. 1431 01:27:26,341 --> 01:27:28,009 Playing devil's advocate, 1432 01:27:28,092 --> 01:27:31,179 you described three types very different from predators. 1433 01:27:31,262 --> 01:27:34,390 - Absolutely. - All of which, in your program, 1434 01:27:34,682 --> 01:27:36,601 will face the same type of punishment. 1435 01:27:36,684 --> 01:27:40,063 As they should! I mean, the law is the same in these cases. 1436 01:27:40,146 --> 01:27:44,692 Okay, but the legal punishment is not It's the only type of punishment here. 1437 01:27:45,026 --> 01:27:48,238 You and Shawn were having a disagreement 1438 01:27:48,321 --> 01:27:51,157 about one of the recent episodes of the program you made 1439 01:27:51,241 --> 01:27:54,202 with Hunter, the 18-year-old. 1440 01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:56,955 It wasn't really a disagreement, 1441 01:27:57,205 --> 01:28:00,375 when it came to the 18-year-old years caught in this investigation. 1442 01:28:01,251 --> 01:28:05,088 Ultimately, we agreed and decided 1443 01:28:05,296 --> 01:28:08,883 take the episode off the air because he had entered a... 1444 01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:11,928 a species according to the court 1445 01:28:12,011 --> 01:28:15,348 that, if he did not reoffend, your record would be erased. 1446 01:28:15,848 --> 01:28:18,017 We decided to give him a second chance 1447 01:28:18,101 --> 01:28:21,312 in terms of its exposure, and I am comfortable with this decision. 1448 01:28:22,146 --> 01:28:25,608 The problem is that if you search Google the boy's name, 1449 01:28:25,858 --> 01:28:29,362 it's on the first five pages of the internet because of the program. 1450 01:28:29,696 --> 01:28:31,614 There is no way to delete this record. 1451 01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:34,909 This is, in a sense, permanent. 1452 01:28:35,785 --> 01:28:37,036 Permanent for now. 1453 01:28:38,538 --> 01:28:39,747 This will disappear. 1454 01:28:45,378 --> 01:28:47,213 Some people who watch this 1455 01:28:47,422 --> 01:28:50,675 may think you need answer for something. 1456 01:28:51,634 --> 01:28:54,721 That this type of TV that you helped make 1457 01:28:54,804 --> 01:28:58,641 does not stop criminals, or gets to the bottom of his crimes, 1458 01:28:58,725 --> 01:29:00,393 just help us to take advantage of this. 1459 01:29:00,893 --> 01:29:04,897 And I make documentaries too, So I won't judge you. 1460 01:29:05,315 --> 01:29:08,401 But we're on TV and we point cameras at something, 1461 01:29:08,651 --> 01:29:10,111 and the trauma continues. 1462 01:29:11,195 --> 01:29:12,530 What do you say to that? 1463 01:29:13,489 --> 01:29:15,074 I understand your point. 1464 01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,577 And it's a valid point. 1465 01:29:18,745 --> 01:29:19,746 But... 1466 01:29:22,415 --> 01:29:26,169 you don't know how many times someone came to me, 1467 01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:32,050 in a store, a restaurant, on the street, 1468 01:29:32,717 --> 01:29:35,345 and told me: "Thank you for what you do. 1469 01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:39,557 I was the victim of an adult when I was a child. 1470 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,685 Traumatized in a way that has... 1471 01:29:44,145 --> 01:29:46,147 forced me to do therapy to this day. 1472 01:29:46,564 --> 01:29:49,567 And every time you confront a predator, 1473 01:29:50,318 --> 01:29:51,652 It makes me feel better." 1474 01:29:52,487 --> 01:29:54,155 I understand people saying: 1475 01:29:54,989 --> 01:29:56,532 "You go too far. 1476 01:29:58,451 --> 01:29:59,494 You... 1477 01:30:00,912 --> 01:30:05,208 catch a man at his worst, and you put it on television. 1478 01:30:05,708 --> 01:30:07,085 You embarrass him." 1479 01:30:07,919 --> 01:30:10,088 I'm okay with that, I accept this criticism. 1480 01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:13,466 But for every human being that comes to me 1481 01:30:13,549 --> 01:30:16,260 to tell me your story about being a survivor, 1482 01:30:16,594 --> 01:30:21,140 this investigative franchise in particular it is for them. 1483 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,060 And I'm okay with that. 1484 01:30:24,352 --> 01:30:27,105 And if that's my legacy, I'm very comfortable. 1485 01:30:28,648 --> 01:30:31,901 I am a survivor. I was seven years old. 1486 01:30:32,693 --> 01:30:35,488 And I didn't realize that as a young adult, 1487 01:30:35,571 --> 01:30:39,784 but one of the reasons why I watched your show that's why. 1488 01:30:40,868 --> 01:30:43,788 When you sit with these men and ask them 1489 01:30:43,871 --> 01:30:45,206 Why are they here. 1490 01:30:45,665 --> 01:30:48,584 What could get them to do it? 1491 01:30:49,460 --> 01:30:54,632 And it took me a long time to realize That's what I wanted from the program. 1492 01:30:55,466 --> 01:30:59,137 In many ways, It's because of you that we do this. 1493 01:31:01,305 --> 01:31:04,308 I didn't have idea when going into this, 1494 01:31:05,143 --> 01:31:08,312 what would become, the impact it would have. 1495 01:31:08,396 --> 01:31:12,442 And send a message that we will defend the survivor. 1496 01:31:12,650 --> 01:31:14,777 And that's a big part of what we do 1497 01:31:15,111 --> 01:31:18,030 in this series of investigations in particular. 1498 01:31:27,623 --> 01:31:29,834 Chris, you're free to go. 1499 01:31:31,043 --> 01:31:32,044 You are free... 1500 01:31:32,378 --> 01:31:34,464 "What happens next It doesn't depend on me." 1501 01:31:37,216 --> 01:31:38,676 - Guys, thank you! - Thank you. 1502 01:31:38,759 --> 01:31:41,387 I thank you. Great work. Thanks. It's good to see you. 1503 01:31:42,388 --> 01:31:43,973 It's a fake kitchen. 1504 01:33:06,681 --> 01:33:07,765 How are you? 1505 01:33:49,890 --> 01:33:50,933 David? 1506 01:33:51,934 --> 01:33:53,769 Closing cameras A and B. 1507 01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:56,397 David, are you okay? 1508 01:34:01,110 --> 01:34:02,778 Did you get everything you wanted? 1509 01:34:27,678 --> 01:34:29,847 Translation and subtitling by Macias Group